Politics 2008:The Caucuses and The Dem/Rep Conventions

[KAPital PHINUst]

I have a question for all of you Obama supporters reading:

What is it about Obama's issues that you find so appealing? I am asking because those who I have asked about his stance on the issues couldn't give me a definitive answer that told me what he would do if he was elected. Most responses alluded to him bringing back jobs, bringing change (but could not elaborate on what those changes involved) or simply the fact that he was black.

I have been getting more emails and e-vites to attend Obama-oriented events, and I am really trying to find out why I should get behind Obama or what he is really all about because all I am hearing is empty soundbites with no substance to support it

Please help me out with this.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

[COLOR=darkred]I have a question for all of you Obama supporters reading:[/

[COLOR=#8b0000]What is it about Obama's issues that you find so appealing? I am asking because those who I have asked about his stance on the issues couldn't give me a definitive answer that told me what he would do if he was elected. Most responses alluded to him bringing back jobs, bringing change (but could not elaborate on what those changes involved) or simply the fact that he was black.[/]

[COLOR=#8b0000]I have been getting more emails and e-vites to attend Obama-oriented events, and I am really trying to find out why I should get behind Obama or what he is really all about because all I am hearing is empty soundbites with no substance to support it.[/

[COLOR=#8b0000]Please help me out with this.

So if you haven't heard anything of substance from Obama's own mouth, there is nothing that an Obama supporter can say to you that will make you hear what you already say you haven't heard (does that make sense?).

When it came to the Bush re-election, I felt like shaking people and asking them WHY? Why let this man continue to lead our country? Why let him seduce us with his so-called "religious" rhetoric? But at the end of the day, everyone is entitled to their feelings and opinions and no, they don't have to share them with anyone.

So let the Obama supporters feel how they feel about him. Maybe he inspires them and gives them hope which may be why people are inviting you to attend his events so you can experience him as opposed to simply watching and listening from a distance. For some people, this is all they need and is just what they need to feel that they too can start to make a difference. While it might sound sappy, Obama's right when he says that it starts with us and it always has but somewhere along the way many of us got comfortable and forgot about the shoulders we're standing on. Many of Obama's supporters believe that he hasn't forgotten and this is what makes him so appealing to them. Also, who says that it should ONLY be about what a candidate has already done as opposed to what they are inspired to do and are capable of doing?

And I'm not speaking as an Obama supporter because I don't know who I'm voting for yet. I have been very objective thus far and I can honestly see what each candidate (including McCain) brings to the table and they all have something to offer in my opinion. It's just a matter of what's most important to each person.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

So if you haven't heard anything of substance from Obama's own mouth, there is nothing that an Obama supporter can say to you that will make you hear what you already say you haven't heard (does that make sense?).

When it came to the Bush re-election, I felt like shaking people and asking them WHY? Why let this man continue to lead our country? Why let him seduce us with his so-called "religious" rhetoric? But at the end of the day, everyone is entitled to their feelings and opinions and no, they don't have to share them with anyone.

So let the Obama supporters feel how they feel about him. Maybe he inspires them and gives them hope which may be why people are inviting you to attend his events so you can experience him as opposed to simply watching and listening from a distance. For some people, this is all they need and is just what they need to feel that they too can start to make a difference. While it might sound sappy, Obama's right when he says that it starts with us and it always has but somewhere along the way many of us got comfortable and forgot about the shoulders we're standing on. Many of Obama's supporters believe that he hasn't forgotten and this is what makes him so appealing to them. Also, who says that it should ONLY be about what a candidate has already done as opposed to what they are inspired to do and are capable of doing?

And I'm not speaking as an Obama supporter because I don't know who I'm voting for yet. I have been very objective thus far and I can honestly see what each candidate (including McCain) brings to the table and they all have something to offer in my opinion. It's just a matter of what's most important to each person.

Nevertheless, you posts and points made herein was well said.

Thanks for responding.

[Little32]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

So let the Obama supporters feel how they feel about him. Maybe he inspires them and gives them hope which may be why people are inviting you to attend his events so you can experience him as opposed to simply watching and listening from a distance. For some people, this is all they need and is just what they need to feel that they too can start to make a difference. While it might sound sappy, Obama's right when he says that it starts with us and it always has but somewhere along the way many of us got comfortable and forgot about the shoulders we're standing on. Many of Obama's supporters believe that he hasn't forgotten and this is what makes him so appealing to them. Also, who says that it should ONLY be about what a candidate has already done as opposed to what they are inspired to do and are capable of doing?

For some, this is just enough, that his campaign inspires them reinvest in the democratic process after years of being disillusioned by the system.

[KAPital PHINUst]

After some research, reflection, and thinking, I think that even though Obama seems like a model presidential candidate, I decided to go with my gut feeling and vote for who I most believed in and who I thought truly cared most about the fate about our nation.

I voted for Ron Paul.


(I didn't see anywhere in the thread where discussion was limited to presidential candidates, hence the following):

I also decided to vote for David Ryon for my local Congressman, as his values were very similar to that of Ron Paul, and best of all his stance on the issues would most directly impact me, and that my letters and concerns to him would be least likely to be ignored. Frankly I am not impressed with Pat Tiberi and I hope Ryon stomps him in the general election.

ETA: David Ryon is also a graduate of Central State University

[ladylike]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

I also decided to vote for David Ryon for my local Congressman, as his values were very similar to that of Ron Paul, and best of all his stance on the issues would most directly impact me, and that my letters and concerns to him would be least likely to be ignored. Frankly I am not impressed with Pat Tiberi and I hope Ryon stomps him in the general election.

ETA: David Ryon is also a graduate of Central State University

You're a Republican? And a graduate of Central State? Ryon might be a little more palatable than Tiberi. I think Tiberi has been around too long.

It was nice to see lots of people out at the polls in my neighborhood (early) this morning.

There's speculation that Ohio results won't be (definitively) known until the end of this week/beginning of next week.

[KAPital PHINUst]

I never would've imagined that Ron Paul would've lasted this long, surpassing all the other so-called "frontrunners": The Ghoul, Great Mitten, the Hucklebuck, Randy Watson, Tommy Thom, Tommy Tan, Duncan Hunter, wow. What a campaign race this has been.

Oh, and for the record....MCCAIN HAS NOT SECURED THE NOMINATION!!!!

Until the delegates have their final say in St. Paul in September, Ron Paul still has just as much of a chance of getting the nomination as McCain does (or anyone else for that matter). That said, the truth of the matter is that with the Hucklebuck dropping out, the odds of a brokered convention has diminished greatly. Nonetheless, it ain't over until September.

Great work, Ron Paul!!! Hang in there.

Oh, and congrats on your winning the primary to further secure your Congressional re-election seat. I read a news story that there was gonna be a re-vote in your congressional district.....


.....because someone Peden the ballot box. *rimshot*

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

I never would've imagined that Ron Paul would've lasted this long, surpassing all the other so-called "frontrunners": The Ghoul, Great Mitten, the Hucklebuck, Randy Watson, Tommy Thom, Tommy Tan, Duncan Hunter, wow. What a campaign race this has been.

Oh, and for the record....MCCAIN HAS NOT SECURED THE NOMINATION!!!!

Until the delegates have their final say in St. Paul in September, Ron Paul still has just as much of a chance of getting the nomination as McCain does (or anyone else for that matter). That said, the truth of the matter is that with the Hucklebuck dropping out, the odds of a brokered convention has diminished greatly. Nonetheless, it ain't over until September.

Great work, Ron Paul!!! Hang in there.

Oh, and congrats on your winning the primary to further secure your Congressional re-election seat. I read a news story that there was gonna be a re-vote in your congressional district.....


.....because someone Peden the ballot box. *rimshot*

Ron Paul still being in the race has nothing to do with support. He is just a vain, stubborn person that knows he has nothing to lose by not calling it quits. It also shows his lack of concern about the republican party's need for unity.

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by ladylike

You're a Republican? And a graduate of Central State? Ryon might be a little more palatable than Tiberi. I think Tiberi has been around too long.

It was nice to see lots of people out at the polls in my neighborhood (early) this morning.

There's speculation that Ohio results won't be (definitively) known until the end of this week/beginning of next week.

That would be interesting. All of the news organizations have already given Hillary the win....

I think the interesting remaining question is the TX Caucus. I heard that it was a zoo. I wonder how they did it the last 4 or 5 presidential elections where this process was used...

Hillary is still in it but the only remaining states that she has a prayer to win are PA and IN. Yes, they have a lot of delegates but look at her net gain after winning TX AND OH, virtually nill!

[Little32]

OK, I have not decided on a presidential candidate, but I have to say, every time I see Hillary, she seems to have a different face (she seems to change her tune as the wind blows). Do others have different perceptions?

[unspokenone25]

[QUOTE=mccoyred;1612630]

I think the interesting remaining question is the TX Caucus. I heard that it was a zoo. I wonder how they did it the last 4 or 5 presidential elections where this process was used...

/QUOTE]

Well, here in Texas, this type of response to a primary election was unprecedented. I caucused last night and waited in line for two hours. The line at that elementary school snaked from the halls to the parking lot outside. Truly amazing! This was minor compared to a few places in Houston and surrounding cities. In fact, at one high school in Houston, the caucus did not end until 3am. It was a crazy experience but it was also an awesome experience. I have lived in that neighborhood where I caucused for over 20 years. I have never seen a turnout like that before. Ever. Of course, people got testy and the precinct judges were a little under prepared for the volume of people that showed up. Nonetheless, voices were heard and it is definitely something I will tell my children (when I have them) and grandchildren about. Results are still pending as to whom will receive the 1/3 of delegates on the line for the Texas caucus.

[mccoyred]

Farewell, Ron Paul

ABC News has learned that Ron Paul has, at last, decided to officially drop out of the race for the Republican nomination.
http://news.aol.com/political-machin...well-ron-paul/

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

After some research, reflection, and thinking, I think that even though Obama seems like a model presidential candidate, I decided to go with my gut feeling and vote for who I most believed in and who I thought truly cared most about the fate about our nation.

I voted for Ron Paul.


(I didn't see anywhere in the thread where discussion was limited to presidential candidates, hence the following):

I also decided to vote for David Ryon for my local Congressman, as his values were very similar to that of Ron Paul, and best of all his stance on the issues would most directly impact me, and that my letters and concerns to him would be least likely to be ignored. Frankly I am not impressed with Pat Tiberi and I hope Ryon stomps him in the general election.

ETA: David Ryon is also a graduate of Central State University

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

Farewell, Ron Paul

ABC News has learned that Ron Paul has, at last, decided to officially drop out of the race for the Republican nomination.
http://news.aol.com/political-machin...well-ron-paul/

For the record, RON PAUL HAS NOT DROPPED OUT!!!!

The article in question has no real basis in fact for its story, and is interpreted by some as an attempt on ABC's part to discourage delegates to vote for him at Convention, as well as discourage voters in remaining primary states.

Actual news on his campaign status can ONLY be found at ronpaul2008.com (and after a brief review of the site, nowhere is there any mention of Ron Paul conceding the presidential race or dropping out).

Conclusion: ABC News' story is bogus--and could be grounds for a lawsuit for printing false/misleading information.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

For the record, RON PAUL HAS NOT DROPPED OUT!!!!

The article in question has no real basis in fact for its story, and is interpreted by some as an attempt on ABC's part to discourage delegates to vote for him at Convention, as well as discourage voters in remaining primary states.

Actual news on his campaign status can ONLY be found at ronpaul2008.com (and after a brief review of the site, nowhere is there any mention of Ron Paul conceding the presidential race or dropping out).

Conclusion: ABC News' story is bogus--and could be grounds for a lawsuit for printing false/misleading information.

Despite your hysterics, yes, he is dropping out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk_vVaZxTno, he's just using really irritating wording ("victory is not available to us...", "...campaign will soon wind down.", his "revolution" will move forward in a "new phase" and he talks about the "succeeding organization" to the campaign).

And did he say 'apatheting' at around 32 seconds???

Nice book plug (pre-orders at amazon.com!) and pushing of your new PAC and "freedom foundation". Gimme your money, gimme your money, gimme your money.

RIP RPcampaign.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

For the record, RON PAUL HAS NOT DROPPED OUT!!!!

The article in question has no real basis in fact for its story, and is interpreted by some as an attempt on ABC's part to discourage delegates to vote for him at Convention, as well as discourage voters in remaining primary states.

Actual news on his campaign status can ONLY be found at ronpaul2008.com (and after a brief review of the site, nowhere is there any mention of Ron Paul conceding the presidential race or dropping out).

Conclusion: ABC News' story is bogus--and could be grounds for a lawsuit for printing false/misleading information.

take your head out of the sand.