Penn State recruitment

[33girl]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Does the period that's considered binding vary by campus practice or is it supposed to always be a full calendar year?

I'd read the posted material as indicating that the NPC intends it to be binding for a full year, but it seems that we've had stories here that indicated the same kind of within the same school year kind of thinking: if you depledge in the spring of one school year, you might be eligible for a bid the next fall.

I'm not saying it's right; I just think that it may sometimes actually be the campus practice, based on similar posts that I've read here.

We discussed that on here before and came to the conclusion that NPC wants it to be the "spirit" of a calendar year; that is, if you fill out your pref card, get a bid and decline it on September 1 2007, it doesn't mean you can't go through rush and accept a bid if bid day is on August 27, 2008.

The period that's binding should NOT be only a semester. The exceptions to the rule are 1) the rushee transfers to a different school or 2) the chapter she is pledging closes/loses their charter. In both these cases, the rushee is allowed to sign a bid with another group as soon as she chooses.

I think that you can "release" a woman to another group if they request it and you go along with it, but IMO that usually happens this way:

Polly PNM wanted to be in Awesome ABC and got Uncool UVW instead.
A spot opens up at ABC after formal rush. ABC pressures UVW to release Polly and UVW does it because they don't want to be on the bad side of the "best" group on campus.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I think that you can "release" a woman to another group if they request it and you go along with it, but IMO that usually happens this way:

Polly PNM wanted to be in Awesome ABC and got Uncool UVW instead.
A spot opens up at ABC after formal rush. ABC pressures UVW to release Polly and UVW does it because they don't want to be on the bad side of the "best" group on campus.

This seems so weird to me because, on my former campus, I don't think spots ever "opened up" or if they did, the "best" group wouldn't want to acknowledge it. But I can't imagine trying to hold onto someone who wanted to be elsewhere.

This next part is unrelated to the OPs question, but I'm curious based on what you said, if the groups in question were about total, would a girl depledging actually create a spot? Can you re-bid the spots in that year's quota if the original bids were accepted?

[AZ-AlphaXi]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

This next part is unrelated to the OPs question, but I'm curious based on what you said, if the groups in question were about total, would a girl depledging actually create a spot? Can you re-bid the spots in that year's quota if the original bids were accepted?

you can only re-bid spots in quota if 1) the bid is declined prior to the pledging ceremony or 2) if the depledging(s) causes the chapter to go below total. if total is 50 and the chapter is at 56 after formal recruitment (having received quota new members), the chapter would have to lose 7 members to go below total and then only have 1 spot open (ie to get back to total) .. the other 6 spots are lost.

[33girl]

where the heck is that thread where we talked about how long quota "lasted"? Some people were saying that you had like a month to get up to quota even if you were over total and I was like WHAT?

I was speaking more about campuses where even the "top" groups have spots open in my scenario - or where the girl was mistakenly not bid by ABC due to grades or computer foul up or something. i.e. it's obvious that it's a mistake that the girl is where she got stuck. I know it seems crazy to think of trying to hold onto someone like that, but the thing is, if you're desparate for every pledge you can get and the sorority they want to go to has girls lining up to get in, you might not feel like being magnanimous. And the thing is, it IS a NPC rule.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by 33girl

where the heck is that thread where we talked about how long quota "lasted"? Some people were saying that you had like a month to get up to quota even if you were over total and I was like WHAT?

I was speaking more about campuses where even the "top" groups have spots open in my scenario - or where the girl was mistakenly not bid by ABC due to grades or computer foul up or something. i.e. it's obvious that it's a mistake that the girl is where she got stuck. I know it seems crazy to think of trying to hold onto someone like that, but the thing is, if you're desparate for every pledge you can get and the sorority they want to go to has girls lining up to get in, you might not feel like being magnanimous. And the thing is, it IS a NPC rule.

I can never search effectively on GC.

Yep, I can imagine at campuses where total is high relative to the number of girls going through recruitment and the average size of the chapters that things can get pretty cut-throat.

I can also understand that it might be hard to make any NPC rule stick when it comes to keeping a girl from the group she wants and who has room to take her. Without a strong greek life director or an extremely panhellenically minded campus PC, nobody probably tries really hard to enforce the rules.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by AZ-AlphaXi

you can only re-bid spots in quota if 1) the bid is declined prior to the pledging ceremony or 2) if the depledging(s) causes the chapter to go below total. if total is 50 and the chapter is at 56 after formal recruitment (having received quota new members), the chapter would have to lose 7 members to go below total and then only have 1 spot open (ie to get back to total) .. the other 6 spots are lost.

That's what I thought. At my undergraduate campus, fall recruitment results usually put the majority of the groups way about total. I'd like to believe that attracting girls from other groups didn't happen because we were more panhellenically minded, but really, it was probably just as much that the groups that were popular enough to pull pledges away never found themselves in that position. (Seriously, some of the groups came back for rush with not too far from total, I think.)