Shooting at Northern Illinois University

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Demographics certainly should be controlled for. However, I suspect that they might yield disparate results which may lessen or increase the appropriateness of their application to the campus context.

Not necessarily. College campuses (as a general entity) consist of people of different socioeconomic backgrounds, races, and other demographic factors. There are also thousands of college students with sealed juvenile court and facility records. So the correlations found in neighborhood research can be applied to college students if we conducted a study across college campuses. THis is also one reason why researchers use college students as their sample and generalize their findings to the noncollegiate population.

Which gets to another issue regarding whose gun access is okay and whose gun access will scare the sweetbejeebus out of people:
Are people advocating legalizing guns on college campuses but only for certain types of people from certain socioeconomic backgrounds on certain types of campuses? Background checks are meant to look for background checks, mental health profiles (maybe), and so forth. Sure, background checks are a type of profiling but it isn't profiling based on factors like race and socioeconomic status. Right? It depends on who you ask.

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Aren't certain learned behaviors and criminal motivations going to be more common among certain people in certain environments?

That's a topic in and of itself.

For the purpose of this discussion, please refer to my previous response.

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I want to get back into this discussion, but other dueling posters have taken over after your post. Damn, these are long posts, too.

Yeah so I bid you farewell and will go back to silent reading, I guess.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Not necessarily. College campuses (as a general entity) consist of people of different socioeconomic backgrounds, races, and other demographic factors. There are also thousands of college students with sealed juvenile court and facility records. So the correlations found in neighborhood research can be applied to college students if we conducted a study across college campuses. THis is also one reason why researchers use college students as their sample and generalize their findings to the noncollegiate population.

Which gets to another issue regarding whose gun access is okay and whose gun access will scare the sweetbejeebus out of people:
Are people advocating legalizing guns on college campuses but only for certain types of people from certain socioeconomic backgrounds on certain types of campuses? Background checks are meant to look for background checks, mental health profiles (maybe), and so forth. Sure, background checks are a type of profiling but it isn't profiling based on factors like race and socioeconomic status. Right? It depends on who you ask.




That's a topic in and of itself.

For the purpose of this discussion, please refer to my previous response.



Yeah so I bid you farewell and will go back to silent reading, I guess.

Sure, the studies will likely also be more or less applicable depending on the "type" of campus. Again though, I don't have any of this data you speak of, so who knows how relevant it would be to this issue.

I'm simply for taking the campus restriction away. Thus, while the issuance of concealed carry permits may be discriminatory in general (which is probably a good thing), there wouldn't be any heightened scrutiny for college kids who fulfill the traditional requirements. Unless race or socioeconomic factors matter in getting a permit as it is, they wouldn't matter with regard to carry on campus. I'm not really concerned about the race or economic status of the person carrying legally at my local Wal Mart or bank, so I'm not sure why many on my side of the argument would want any different standard when it comes to campus carry.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Sure, the studies will likely also be more or less applicable depending on the "type" of campus.

But the removal of gun restrictions wouldn't be and that's the point.

Many people who want to remove gun restrictions are fine and dandy until people who they are afraid of, in general, get these guns. People's fear of crime and fear of the potential of crime of certain types of people (sociodemographic factors) will definitely add an angle to this debate. Probably not for you but for thousands of others.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

But the removal of gun restrictions wouldn't be and that's the point.

Many people who want to remove gun restrictions are fine and dandy until people who they are afraid of, in general, get these guns. People's fear of crime and fear of the potential of crime of certain types of people (sociodemographic factors) will definitely add an angle to this debate. Probably not for you but for thousands of others.

Don't get me wrong, there are certain people who I wouldn't want to get a hold of guns. I don't know that I could really break it down to demographics, but if certain demographic groups in an area are more criminally minded or irresponsible, then sure, those folks.

However, my point is that lifting the ban on campus carry won't really impact this at all, as it will simply allow those who have licenses to take their gun one more place. I don't anticipate that entirely new groups of people will rush to get a firearms license because of a lifted restriction.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Don't get me wrong, there are certain people who I wouldn't want to get a hold of guns. I don't know that I could really break it down to demographics, but if certain demographic groups in an area are more criminally minded or irresponsible, then sure, those folks.

However, my point is that lifting the ban on campus carry won't really impact this at all, as it will simply allow those who have licenses to take their gun one more place. I don't anticipate that entirely new groups of people will rush to get a firearms license because of a lifted restriction.

Just the same old people, right? This post is funny but why it's funny is another topic.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Just the same old people, right? This post is funny but why it's funny is another topic.

Pretty much the same old people, right.