Romney Bows Out

[EE-BO]

Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

But I think the difference between a Mormon missionary and your other missions is that ALL the Mormon ones seem to care about is that you come around to their way of thinking. I have friends in what would be considered fundamentalist churches who do a lot of mission work in Africa and while some of it is "This is how we love Jesus and you should too" some of it is also "have some rice and medical care and let's teach you how to read." My boyfriend's brother did a mission in Albania where he spent most of his time teaching English. He also talked about faith a lot, but he wasn't just there to talk about faith.

Interesting bit of info along these lines. I know a guy who splits his work/life between here and Venezuela. A few months ago we were talking about what life is like for Americans down there right now because even when I was in Caracas 5 years ago US citizens had to be very careful walking around in public because of the public hatred Chavez was trying to stir up with citizens.

He mentioned at one point that Chavez had expelled all the missionary groups from Venezuela except the Catholics because the Catholics would come in and actually live among the people and help them- gaining converts by example and helping everyone whether they converted or not.

Mormon and Protestant groups were, on the other hand, sending in kids and other people for short periods of time to basically go around and preach and try to make conversions- but otherwise do nothing to help people.

The guy I know related some personal accounts as well. His home there is in the wild where he does field studies on various fish that live in the rivers there. So he was reporting from personal experience.

MysticCat- you are not being a bigot at all, just telling it like it is. I won't repeat my Mormon rant here from the other Romney thread of a few weeks ago, but if you really get into the texts and beliefs it is some way out there stuff.

The best evidence of the dangers of this cult are how guys like Jeffords can run entire towns in Utah of child molesting polygamists and nothing gets done until the federal government takes action.

Most major religious groups do their part to distance themselves from the fanatics among them and do not shield them when they break the law.

Not so with the Mormon Church which for all practical purposes runs state and local government. And I think that says it all. The sin of omission is just as bad as being a participant.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by EE-BO

MysticCat- you are not being a bigot at all, just telling it like it is. I won't repeat my Mormon rant here from the other Romney thread of a few weeks ago, but if you really get into the texts and beliefs it is some way out there stuff.

The best evidence of the dangers of this cult are how guys like Jeffords can run entire towns in Utah of child molesting polygamists and nothing gets done until the federal government takes action.

Most major religious groups do their part to distance themselves from the fanatics among them and do not shield them when they break the law.

Not so with the Mormon Church which for all practical purposes runs state and local government. And I think that says it all. The sin of omission is just as bad as being a participant.

Aren't you failing to discriminate between one corrupt offshoot unrecognized (and I think excommunicated) by the mainstream church and the mainstream LDS Church itself?

I think it's a big reach to say that the LDS for practical purposes runs the state and local government. When I was in Salt Lake City a couple years ago, they had a big Gay Pride parade and festival within a block of Temple Square. I'm not thinking the LDS was a sponsor.

No doubt, the Mormon church is influential, but I'm not exactly sure what you expected them to do about the Jeffords.

[AOII_LB93]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Aren't you failing to discriminate between one corrupt offshoot unrecognized (and I think excommunicated) by the mainstream church and the mainstream LDS Church itself?

No doubt, the Mormon church is influential, but I'm not exactly sure what you expected them to do about the Jeffords.

Do you guys mean Warren Jeffs?
This is a valid point. The group to which Jeffs was supposedly the "prophet", is the Fundamentalist Church of LDS...who were excommunicated by the "real" Mormon church, and it mainly had to do with the plural marriage aspect - which was generally banned by the "real" Mormons in 1890. Since 1904 (officially) those entering in to polygamous marriages are excommunicated. Large polygamist groups still exist, even in the SLC area, however they are not as numerous as people think. There are other divergences in belief, however the polygamy aspect is the largest of them.

Anyhow, enough of a sidebar...back to the topic.

Shinerbock, and EE-BO you both had very well written points. I'd say more about the original posting, you both have said what I thought to begin with anyhow.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by AOII_LB93

Do you guys mean Warren Jeffs?
This is a valid point. The group to which Jeffs was supposedly the "prophet", is the Fundamentalist Church of LDS...who were excommunicated by the "real" Mormon church, and it mainly had to do with the plural marriage aspect - which was generally banned by the "real" Mormons in 1890. Since 1904 (officially) those entering in to polygamous marriages are excommunicated. Large polygamist groups still exist, even in the SLC area, however they are not as numerous as people think. There are other divergences in belief, however the polygamy aspect is the largest of them.

Anyhow, enough of a sidebar...back to the topic.

Shinerbock, and EE-BO you both had very well written points. I'd say more about the original posting, you both have said what I thought to begin with anyhow.

I think so; your description matches up with who I had in mind. I didn't look up the name; I just went with what was there from EE-BO. Maybe he meant someone else. If so, I apologize for jumping the gun.

[AGDee]

I heard on the radio today that Romney will be endorsing McCain

[Thetagirl218]

Yep! He endorsed McCain! I think it is rather sad when someone who fought against someone on so many key issues is now kissing their butt!!!

How many times did Romney and McCain have the Consverative arugement? And now he is just endorsing him because it is good for the party. It makes me want to go Independent.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Thetagirl218

Yep! He endorsed McCain! I think it is rather sad when someone who fought against someone on so many key issues is now kissing their butt!!!

How many times did Romney and McCain have the Consverative arugement? And now he is just endorsing him because it is good for the party. It makes me want to go Independent.

I know what you are saying, and yet, what are his options really?