Biggest Rush Mistakes at any institution

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by bowsandtoes

It only makes sense that a lot of those groups would be made along racial lines.

That only makes sense because this is still an extremely racially segregated society.

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

You do tend to back pedal. Earlier you said you had no prejudices.

Or perhaps I made the statement I have no prejudices to get my point across that I was not racially prejudice but then realized that the statement was far more general than having to do with just race. Not back-pedaling, clarifying.

[nate2512]

The thing is, which is why I originally said that I think discriminatory laws in GLOs are pointless is because a black person may not fit in with my organization, thats not saying we would not take a black person, because it could happen, but very few rush here so thats doubtful, but if he does not fit in he gets cut. So he files a lawsuit against my chapter saying we racially discriminated against him. He has no case, because we tell the truth that he was released not for his race, but for the simple fact that we do not feel he fits in with our organizations and what we embody. We probably cut a vast exponentially larger number of white people to for the same thing. I know a white person on our campus that inquired about membership to a traditionally black organization and they told him they would not take him. Him and his black friend that he wanted to pledge with then inquired about our organizations, and we welcomed them both to rush us and discussed it and decided that we would bid them both but with their athletic schedule they decided not to.
Moral of the story, I am not a racist person, neither are any of the brothers in my chapter. And I am standing by my claim that discrimination laws in GLOs are pointless.

And now I stand by for someone to ridicule some part of post because its sure to happen.

[nittanyalum]

Wow how did this thread get to this ^^^ from this:


I actually miss Fratty's list of what to wear and what size/type/look of female to be seen in the company of...

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Wow how did this thread get to this ^^^ from this:


I actually miss Fratty's list of what to wear and what size/type/look of female to be seen in the company of...

Because I made a huge mistake.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

If it helps, I knew what you were trying to say.


I think I'll feed the fire now.
By what everyone has been defining racism as, I am a racist:

I don't want most minorities in my chapter. Not because I think any less of other races, but because there are deep-rooted differences, and I joined a fraternity to find brothers I had things in common with. A lot in common.
I would never discriminate (and have not) in the workplace, in the classroom, or any other organization. I know I'm going to get reamed for this but understand- I honest to God am no sort of white supremecist. I just know that there are fundamental differences among races, and because there are plenty of other places to mix, I don't think my fraternity should be thought of as racist.

DSTChaos- we live in a "segregated" society because EVERYONE recognizes these differences.

I think what I have a bigger problem with is your missue of the term/construct of race. At least you're open with your biases and discrimation so people know what they're dealing with, and frankly I respect that a hell of a lot more than a closet bigot. A lot of what I believe you're referring to as "differences among races" are social constructs and have nothing to do with skin color, eye and nose shape, or even how one spells their last name. People grow up in all kinds of families and economic structures, and I know plenty of people who are not checking the white/caucasian box, but are interested in some activities you have mentioned. Race isn't defined by genetics or physical characteristics.

Of course I live in a completely different part of the country, but we have our history of hatred to the point in recent history a nearby city completely shut down operation to protest a KKK parade.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

I'm on the same page as you with the bold. Maybe not 100% with the social contructs, but for the most part, I think I agree. That's why I hate how the word racism is used now, because quite frankly, skin color means nothing to me- the cultures (I guess that's the right word) that color represents is where I have different opinions.

So in other words, what you're saying is you would have more in common (and probably bid) a black man who was raised in your town and whose parents were of the same social strata as yours before you'd bid some white guy from Pittsburgh.

I understand that - I think what people get upset about is what seems to be an assumption that there aren't any situations like that.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

DSTChaos- we live in a "segregated" society because EVERYONE recognizes these differences.

That's actually NOT why.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by 33girl

So in other words, what you're saying is you would have more in common (and probably bid) a black man who was raised in your town and whose parents were of the same social strata as yours before you'd bid some white guy from Pittsburgh.

I understand that - I think what people get upset about is what seems to be an assumption that there aren't any situations like that.

Yeah because he just tried to justify why this is still an extremely racially segregated society.

MEANING, blacks and whites from similar socioeconomic backgrounds remain segregated from one another versus being more integrated based on social class and similar experiences. And that's the reality.

I swear, I was trying to just bring back the "rush mistakes" but the uninformed posts keepacoming. There aren't FUNDAMENTAL differences across races.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

I'm on the same page as you with the bold. Maybe not 100% with the social contructs, but for the most part, I think I agree. That's why I hate how the word racism is used now, because quite frankly, skin color means nothing to me- the cultures (I guess that's the right word) that color represents is where I have different opinions.

If you believe "race" is culture (which it is, along with other social and economic factors that impact some groups more than others) then you agree 100% with the social construct definition of race.

"Race" is not biological. Period. And 99% of the differences that people observe across racial groups aren't biological or inherent.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by nate2512

The thing is, which is why I originally said that I think discriminatory laws in GLOs are pointless is because a black person may not fit in with my organization, thats not saying we would not take a black person, because it could happen, but very few rush here so thats doubtful, but if he does not fit in he gets cut. So he files a lawsuit against my chapter saying we racially discriminated against him. He has no case, because we tell the truth that he was released not for his race, but for the simple fact that we do not feel he fits in with our organizations and what we embody. We probably cut a vast exponentially larger number of white people to for the same thing. I know a white person on our campus that inquired about membership to a traditionally black organization and they told him they would not take him. Him and his black friend that he wanted to pledge with then inquired about our organizations, and we welcomed them both to rush us and discussed it and decided that we would bid them both but with their athletic schedule they decided not to.
Moral of the story, I am not a racist person, neither are any of the brothers in my chapter. And I am standing by my claim that discrimination laws in GLOs are pointless.

And now I stand by for someone to ridicule some part of post because its sure to happen.

So the Obama supporter discussion was a perfect transition for you to discuss how you feel about race? That's what I told you the first time around. Did I miss where race (and BGLOs) was the topic of discussion before you started discussing Obama supporters?

[srmom]

MEANING, blacks and whites from similar socioeconomic backgrounds remain segregated from one another versus being more integrated based on social class and similar experiences. And that's the reality.

That is not true in all cases. Maybe in a generalized sense, but in specific cases, I think things are becoming much more racially integrated, and the segregation is based on cultural differences not race.

Case in point: at my son's high school, the kids who hang together are totally racially integrated - the athletes hang with the athletes with no racial divisions that I've seen, and it is like this in each cultural group - the theatre kids run with each other, the dance squad people all hang together, etc.

But, you will not see a "goth" kid or a "druggie", or whatever, hanging with an "athlete" or an "orchestra kid".

This is a high school that is economically homogenous but culturally diverse.

Just an example...

[SWTXBelle]

I think one problem with this topic is the different meanings ascribed to the same words - i.e. race, racism, culture, etc. - and the fact that misunderstandings occur when the terms are not defined, or if there is no consensus on the definitions.
-end of my hijack.

Anyone have an idea to get this back on topic?

[OLD_GOLD3]

My definition

When I was in high school and undergrad race was defined loosely as broader grouping of one’s ethnic background. Now I personally do not agree with the statement that there are fundamental differences between races socially. There may be slight cultural differences but that seems like an entirely different argument. If all applicants being what could be broadly defined as “American”, in the grand schemes of things there (in my opinion) are no differences. Social/economic differences amongst applicants is another story entirely, I would be naïve to assume that Fraternities do not discriminate socially, culturally or even racially.

But to stay on subject I believe the idea that people of different races can not get coexist in a Fraternity due to racial differences is absurd. Maybe socially yes but those all seem to personal “hang ups” one may choose not to associate with another person based on these principles. But I ultimately have a problem with the idea or defense of, with out calling it for what it is. Now if the term race was used to describe social difference or cultural differences, you can see how that can easily be misinterpreted. In defense of statement of that members of NPHC are equally just as exclusive as some of the other organizations mentioned are fundamentally unfounded. I can only speak for my organization and my experiences, but I have met many diverse chapters in my Fraternity and brothers equally as welcoming.

I can not speak for every brother and every chapter so I will not be that presumptuous, but in my experiences in my organization most are quite welcoming of diversity especially in the state I currently reside. Having attended two undergraduate universities in the south (maybe not the deep south) I have not seen racial exclusionary practices in most of the “orgs” I came across whether they were NPC, NPHC or NIC

“The Phinest men are made in Cambria”

[PhiGam]

Ok, were going in circles now guys... back to biggest rush mistakes. I forgot what has been said and what should be added to the list... refresh me.