Greek Social Life - Then and Now

[SNBullet]

Originally Posted by Benzgirl

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I have to throw in here as a fraternity guy who has a house.

Themed Gatherings:
-Now: Cops and Robbers (girls in booty shorts and low-cut tops with push-up Bras). "_____ and Ho" (Golf Pros and Tennis Hos, Pimp and Ho, CEOs and Office Hos). 80s themes (explained to her that we didn't wear mini skirts up to our ass), Trailer Trash
-Then: Luau, Double-vision, Fiesta, Toga, Disco Fever, Flash Dance, Preppy, Caddy Shack, Casino, Old West.

For the most part this is true but we still do old school throwbacks. we have a partys with some soros that we have been doing since the 70's.

Formals:
-Now: Buy a new dress and jewelry. Have hair and makeup done. Manicure and Pedicure. Rent limo or ride in luxury bus. Afterparty in a hotel suite with a jacuzzi.
-Then: Swap your last formal dress with a sister and borrow jewelry off someone else. Do your own hair and makeup. Paint your nails and maybe your toe nails too. Date meets you at the house and you board one of the busses. Afterparty in someone's off-campus apartment

Most guys in my frat have girls. I dont know why you would need a limo to get to a formal. We have ours at our house and the Sorors have theirs on campus.

Alcohol and Drugs
-Now: Beer and Hard Liquor, Crystal Meth, Crack, Heroin, Ritalin
-Then: Beer, Grain Alcohol, a little pot, Coffee

I have never seen anything harder then pot, and i have only heard of coke in very limited numbers. This is very much in the category of IDOC. Sure, friends of mine who go to St Josephs(PA) or Rutgers have to deal with harder stuff because they are in the city, but even then its not widespread. I have never heard of Meth or Heroin at any college.

Sex
-Now: You carry condoms on you at all times and you hook up very casually with anyone, of any sex, and everyone knows. Walk of shame is shamless. Worry is HIV and STDs
-Then (note: AIDS had just been identified): Girls who were pinned and lavaliered spent the night with their BFs, everyone knows. Girl hooks up with someone after a date party and only roommate knows. Walk of Shame was shameful. Worry was pregnancy and STDs

Walk of shame is still shamful. Many frats sit on their roofs and take pictures of the girls on saturday and sunday mornings and put them on the webspace. The amount of "casual" hookups is not nearly as high as you say it is. Maybe its because my brothers dont have any game, but there are parties where the only action comes from gf's in thier bf;s rooms. Also, girls dont carry condoms, the guys do.

And to Dino, girls not carrying condoms is not dirty, its the guys job to worry about that. If he doesnt have one, he gets nothing.

Also,

-Now Cyber Stalking
-Then Catty Bitch down the hall calls you names

I dont really think cyberstalking is as widespread as Dateline makes it out to be.

-Now Crazy Students shoot up classrooms
-Then Crazy Girls shoot you with mace

Im sorry, but school shooting are in no way common. There have been 8 big shootings at colleges since 1960. Hell, i go to college in PA, and pretty much every townie has a gun, and many students do as well. the local HS gets off the first day of Deer season, and somehow we manage to survive. it is hard getting to class with all that lead flying, but you get used to it.

Bottom line. It's very different. In some ways it's good (better transportation around campus, the food options are greater, you can email, text or call your friend's cell). It's also bad...too easy to spend time surfing the internet, they get less exercise, it's easier to cheat on tests.

Its not that much different. yeah there are thing we have to worry about, but but nothing more then usual. Drug use is down since the 60's and 70's on college campuses. its not as accepted anymore. Basically, since the application of the 21 drinking age, alchohol has replaced drugs on Colleges everywhere.

[33girl]

I'm sorry, I got stuck on crack. Are there really college kids doing crack? That whole concept is gross.

A lot of this depends on where you go to college. I'm betting my college in the late 80s was a lot like the late 70s was for people at bigger schools nearer cities in terms of sex, drugs, etc. It was hardly the "just say no" era some people think the 80s were. As I've said many times, we were like Woodstock only w/ better hygiene and nicer clothes.

Oh, and there was LSD, cocaine, pills and heroin around when I went to school, too - it just was discreet (as opposed to alcohol & pot). As far as the condoms - EVERYONE should be carrying them. Period. It's not a moral issue, it's a public health issue.

Originally Posted by Benzgirl

80s themes (explained to her that we didn't wear mini skirts up to our ass)

Umm, speak for yourself. If you got it (or should I say had it), flaunt it. We wore pantyhose under them though, unless it was boiling hot (which didn't happen often in northwest PA). The no hose and sitting your nearly bare butt on heaven knows what is the part that grosses me out.

[ree-Xi]

Originally Posted by SNBullet

Also, girls dont carry condoms, the guys do.

And to Dino, girls not carrying condoms is not dirty, its the guys job to worry about that. If he doesnt have one, he gets nothing.

How, in 2007, with all we know about STDs, and the still too-high number of unwanted teen pregnancies, can anyone say that it is "the guys' job"? Ignorant, ignorant, ignorant!

Seriously, girls, protect yourself. If there is any chance in hell of you hooking up, carry your own protection. Alcohol impairs judgment, and in the heat of the moment, more people are likely to chance it than stop what they're doing.

This is why there are still so many nasty STDs and sexually-transmitted AIDS and unwanted preganancies. (And don't preach to me that no birth control is 100% effective. I am talking about blatant NON USE of condoms).

/end soapbox preaching

[MaggieXi]

Themed Gatherings:
-Now: Cops and Robbers (girls in booty shorts and low-cut tops with push-up Bras). "_____ and Ho" (Golf Pros and Tennis Hos, Pimp and Ho, CEOs and Office Hos). 80s themes (explained to her that we didn't wear mini skirts up to our ass), Trailer Trash
-Then: Luau, Double-vision, Fiesta, Toga, Disco Fever, Flash Dance, Preppy, Caddy Shack, Casino, Old West.

We had Golf Pros/Tennis Hos but most of the girls ended up wearing tennis skirts and polos or cardigans with name tags like "Buffy". Octoberfest - which was a lot of shorts with suspenders and knee socks. Most fraternity mixers were in 70s garb, heven and hell (dress like a devil or angel) and Ski Bunnies and Instructors where everyone dressed up in ski gear or thermals. Yes there are girls out there that dress a little more pervocative, but not the majority!

Formals:
-Now: Buy a new dress and jewelry. Have hair and makeup done. Manicure and Pedicure. Rent limo or ride in luxury bus. Afterparty in a hotel suite with a jacuzzi.
-Then: Swap your last formal dress with a sister and borrow jewelry off someone else. Do your own hair and makeup. Paint your nails and maybe your toe nails too. Date meets you at the house and you board one of the busses. Afterparty in someone's off-campus apartment

We swaped dresses with each other or other members of sororities we were friends with. Some people would go get new dresses but it certainly wasn't a must. We usually did our own hair or makeup -- the seniors might all go get their nails done together if it was their last formal. We took a bus to formal and a bus back. Most after partys were people sitting around in their pjs eating pizza and rehashing the night.

Alcohol and Drugs
-Now: Beer and Hard Liquor, Crystal Meth, Crack, Heroin, Ritalin
-Then: Beer, Grain Alcohol, a little pot, Coffee

Beer, hard liqour, grain alchohol, and pot were popular. There was some coke use you would hear about, but that could have been rumors or if there was use it was pretty hush hush.

Sex
-Now: You carry condoms on you at all times and you hook up very casually with anyone, of any sex, and everyone knows. Walk of shame is shamless. Worry is HIV and STDs
-Then (note: AIDS had just been identified): Girls who were pinned and lavaliered spent the night with their BFs, everyone knows. Girl hooks up with someone after a date party and only roommate knows. Walk of Shame was shameful. Worry was pregnancy and STDs

Walk of shame is still shamful, if you its a known random hook-up. The stereotype from the 60s and 70s was "free love" -- I think its less free love now then then. People are more knowledgable about STDs, AIDS and safe sex.
Also,

-Now Cyber Stalking
-Then Catty Bitch down the hall calls you names

Cyber stalking, I'll give you that one. The catty bitch on your hall -- well isn't there always one?

-Now Crazy Students shoot up classrooms
-Then Crazy Girls shoot you with mace

Im sorry, but school shooting are in no way common. There have been 8 big shootings at colleges since 1960.


I think it basically comes down to the greek member and how they were raised and the institution they attend.

[SNBullet]

Originally Posted by ree-Xi

How, in 2007, with all we know about STDs, and the still too-high number of unwanted teen pregnancies, can anyone say that it is "the guys' job"? Ignorant, ignorant, ignorant!

Seriously, girls, protect yourself. If there is any chance in hell of you hooking up, carry your own protection. Alcohol impairs judgment, and in the heat of the moment, more people are likely to chance it than stop what they're doing.

This is why there are still so many nasty STDs and sexually-transmitted AIDS and unwanted preganancies. (And don't preach to me that no birth control is 100% effective. I am talking about blatant NON USE of condoms).

/end soapbox preaching

No offense, but if you ask a guy to have sex with you, and he doesnt have a condom and you do it anyway, you deserve any funky cheese you get. Same goes for guys, if you dont have a condom and you know a girl in the biblical sense, you derserve whatever you catch. Alchohol is no excuse for impaired judgement. dont drink as much.

I drink, and yet somehow i am able to avoid all these temptations and dont make stupid choices. if you get sloshed and make bad choices then thats the consequence of your action. deal with it.

[kathykd2005]

I'm not sure if anyone "deserves" any "funky cheese," but I do understand where you are coming from. If you make stupid decisions, be prepared to deal with the consequences of those choices.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

I'm not sure if anyone "deserves" any "funky cheese," but I do understand where you are coming from. If you make stupid decisions, be prepared to deal with the consequences of those choices.

Like I said above...it's not a question of anyone "deserving" anything, or if girls carry condoms they're sluts, or if guys carry them they're sluts. IT IS A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE. AIDS does not have a cure...the spread of it affects many more people than just the people who have the disease.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Like I said above...it's not a question of anyone "deserving" anything, or if girls carry condoms they're sluts, or if guys carry them they're sluts. IT IS A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE. AIDS does not have a cure...the spread of it affects many more people than just the people who have the disease.

I was not addressing you personally, I was addressing another poster, but I am WELL AWARE of the issue of AIDS. Obviously it is a public issue; I am not afraid to say that my mother died of AIDS complications in 1996. However, that doesn't mean that certain decisions people make don't cause the issue of AIDS, does it?

[SWTXBelle]

For what it is worth - when I was taking my high school senior English classes to the Rice University library I would always warn them that there was a vending machine which sold highlighters, post-it notes, and condoms. I didn't want them giggling and pointing (which happened my first time there ). So apparently, if you hook up between the stacks, neither has to bring a condom - just enough quarters!

[33girl]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

I was not addressing you personally, I was addressing another poster, but I am WELL AWARE of the issue of AIDS. Obviously it is a public issue; I am not afraid to say that my mother died of AIDS complications in 1996. However, that doesn't mean that certain decisions people make don't cause the issue of AIDS, does it?

Yeah, I probably should have also quoted SNBullet - but the fact is the bad decision is the not using the condom or protecting yourself, not the sleeping around. (That is, this is a health issue not a moral issue.)

[SNBullet]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

I'm not sure if anyone "deserves" any "funky cheese," but I do understand where you are coming from. If you make stupid decisions, be prepared to deal with the consequences of those choices.

I mean deserve in the sense that if you have unprotected sex with a random guy, you shouldnt be surprised if you get some sort of bug. i dont mena to sound harsh, but its the way i feel.

[kathykd2005]

I know what you meant. Moral or health reasons, if you don't do what you should do (protect yourself, whether it be spiritually or physically), then the reaction won't be a positive one.

[ThetaPrincess24]

Originally Posted by SNBullet

No offense, but if you ask a guy to have sex with you, and he doesnt have a condom and you do it anyway, you deserve any funky cheese you get. Same goes for guys, if you dont have a condom and you know a girl in the biblical sense, you derserve whatever you catch. Alchohol is no excuse for impaired judgement. dont drink as much.

I drink, and yet somehow i am able to avoid all these temptations and dont make stupid choices. if you get sloshed and make bad choices then thats the consequence of your action. deal with it.

Exactly!!!!

I have little sympathy for men & women who come into my clinic claiming alcohol and/or drugs is why they have an STD.