Who is this Ron Paul?

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by southernfrat

This may be a political trick but the observations about Hilary are very believable in my eyes. If any of yall have ever seen the Manchurian Candidate she reminds me of the mother of the presidential candidate. Every time I see a picture or hear her voice I am overwhelmed by a sense of fear that this person can possibly be leading our country for four years. Her recent actions involving dirty politics just strengthens this description that pins Hilary as a "bitch".

Her voice scares you? Damn, men really are afraid of a powerful woman, huh?

There are plenty of men in politics that could be called a$$#00!#s, but that only seems to get them victories. Do you honestly think a woman could ever be elected in this country by being sweet-as-pie? You know that you wouldn't take any woman like that seriously...she'd be seen as all mush, no substance. And now when a woman of substance stands up and speaks powerfully, in a way that she knows is the best way to get attention, you still say she's doing it all wrong? How would you propose a woman position herself as capable of leading the most powerful country in the world? Capable of, frankly, pushing other countries to work with us and/or do as we tell them? Capable of commanding the military and sending our nation's young people to war when needed, no matter the loss of life? Capable of pushing an agenda through a Congress that is made up overwhelmingly of white male lawyers? Is she supposed to do it with sugar?

You're scared of her photo and voice? Try doing what American women have done for decades of elections - sit down and listen.

[southernfrat]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

You're scared of her photo and voice? Try doing what American women have done for decades of elections - sit down and listen.

you know i may have mislead you on the fact that i'm in fear of her voice. it is more of her radically leftist rhetoric. now that she is running for president she is trying to appeal to the middle more just like romney is attempting to make himself appeal to the far right in the republican race.

now with your statement that hilary is a stand-up woman who is assertive enough to lead our troops into war and push other countries to work with us, i find this absurd. she can't even get her own husband to stop from straying from her multiple times. their marriage is a political marriage, and shows no family values. if you want a woman who can't even keep her husband interested in her how do you expect a country to continuously support her? she needs to concede and just be one of obama's advisors

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by southernfrat

you know i may have mislead you on the fact that I'm in fear of her voice. it is more of her radically leftist rhetoric. now that she is running for president she is trying to appeal to the middle more just like Romney is attempting to make himself appeal to the far right in the republican race.

now with your statement that Hilary is a stand-up woman who is assertive enough to lead our troops into war and push other countries to work with us, i find this absurd. she can't even get her own husband to stop from straying from her multiple times. their marriage is a political marriage, and shows no family values. if you want a woman who can't even keep her husband interested in her how do you expect a country to continuously support her? she needs to concede and just be one of obama's advisers

One could say just about the same things about Rudy.
And all of them have some sort of ball & chain.

So perhaps we should stay on issues?
And also down load spell check.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by southernfrat

you know i may have mislead you on the fact that i'm in fear of her voice. it is more of her radically leftist rhetoric. now that she is running for president she is trying to appeal to the middle more just like romney is attempting to make himself appeal to the far right in the republican race.

now with your statement that hilary is a stand-up woman who is assertive enough to lead our troops into war and push other countries to work with us, i find this absurd. she can't even get her own husband to stop from straying from her multiple times. their marriage is a political marriage, and shows no family values. if you want a woman who can't even keep her husband interested in her how do you expect a country to continuously support her? she needs to concede and just be one of obama's advisors

I agree Hillary has changed to appeal to the folks her advisors tell her she needs to reel in. But I don't know of any politician that doesn't, and they'd probably be foolish not to in many cases.

You misunderstood what I was saying about leading the country into war, etc. I said she was speaking and presenting herself as a powerful man would, basically making herself look more "presidential." As for far left rhetoric, I find far right rhetoric just as scary. But Hillary is by no means far left - she's actually extremely moderate.

Now, your comments on her not being able to keep her husband interested in her are just nasty and disgusting. He cheated, and that's his fault only. Free will and all that. If that's the way you interpret intimate relationships, I pity the woman that would marry you.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

What I mean is, I, and I assume many others, just won't vote for a woman.

Well, that's fine, but then just man-up and say it straight out like that rather than harping on personal, subjective things about her as a woman, in her marriage, etc., so you can somehow make your not voting for her HER fault. Own your misogyny, don't find an excuse for it.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Well, that's fine, but then just man-up and say it straight out like that rather than harping on personal, subjective things about her as a woman, in her marriage, etc., so you can somehow make your not voting for her HER fault. Own your misogyny, don't find an excuse for it.

To be fair, one can be opposed to voting for a woman for president without being misogynistic.

I can appreciate the reluctance. Unfortunately, in some places, women just aren't given the respect they deserve, regardless of their political position, simply because they're women. I detest the fact that that happens, but until women and men are on a level playing field - everywhere, not just in the US - I find myself reluctant to put a woman in that position. Sure, she asked for it, but that doesn't really matter (not to me, anyway).

Of course, we won't know how real of a problem this is until there's a woman in office. And Hilary sure seems strong enough to handle herself. I dunno... But, I still think that someone doesn't have to be anti-woman to be anti-woman-President.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

She's trying to play the part of a man, because she wants a man's job. Nothing personal towards you, or women in general, but I could never vote for a woman who was as masculine (acting) as Hillary.
BUT, I could never vote for a woman who was traditionally feminine and "soft" like you said (Laura Bush).
What I mean is, I, and I assume many others, just won't vote for a woman.

Wow... just wow.

Newsflash buddy it's the twenty first century not the ninetieth.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Well, geeze. If I was trying to hide it, I wouldn't have written it.

My fault, I think I had you confused, SEC, with your similarly old-world-southern brethren, southernfrat. You two seem like you'd get along famously, though, politically/socially.

I'll give you credit for owning your prejudices outright (anti-woman, anti-Canadian, anti-cohabitation, I'm sensing the trend...), I'll support anyone's right to have and state their opinions, even if they're in radical opposition to mine, it's the folks that won't own up to their base opinions and hide behind rhetoric and other people's subjective attributes that irritate me...


ETA: And eli, sorry, it's just never going to happen...

[GeekyPenguin]

I'm still waiting for the blimp to fly over restricted airspace and get shot down.

[ADqtPiMel]

Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

I'm still waiting for the blimp to fly over restricted airspace and get shot down.

Yes, we've been on Blimpwatch 2k7 here in DC.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

ETA: And eli, sorry, it's just never going to happen...

Originally Posted by eli_the_chopper

what? the topic getting back on track or the Republican party returning to fiscal conservatism? If you're talking about the latter, then I hope the Republican party gets stomped next year, which will happen.

I was referring to this point:

Originally Posted by eli_the_chopper

they ... have to nominate Ron Paul

ETA: LOL, GP, I can just picture the blimp deflating...

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by eli_the_chopper

And they were saying the same sort of things about Goldwater.

Well, hey, if he's similar enough to Goldwater to ensure the same outcome as the 1964 Presidential election, then I'm all for the RP making RP its candidate.

(p.s., but it's not going to happen)

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

I'm sorry, but I can't take your political views seriously if you have any allegiance to Canada.

I'm sorry what?

Oh I get it you're saying your a nationalistic misogynist asshole in other words right? Got it.

[Tom Earp]

So, just how much difference is there between a Democrat and Republican when they get elected to office? Not a damn bit.

All of the new electees have a first breakfast where they take their first stupid pill.

All of the smart people run big corporations and do not run for elected office, especially President.

Ron Paul has some genualy great ideas and others are out there in space!

He is as good a candidate as the rest of these dim wits who are in it for power tripping.

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

In your words, not mine. But at least I kept things civilized, a small feat you were unable to accomplish.


Anyway, I'm not entirely opposed to Ron Paul right now, he just hasn't shown any qualities of endearment yet. Here's my current list:

Republicans
1-Mike Huckabee
2-Fred Thompson
3-Mitt Romney
4-RON PAUL

Democrats
5-Rudy Giuliani

All the other candidates have personal characteristics that help me relate (or NOT relate). If he would change his stance on the war, people would care about what he has to say. Or at least I would.

When did Giuliani become a Democrat????