|
» GC Stats |
Members: 332,806
Threads: 115,742
Posts: 2,208,453
|
| Welcome to our newest member, zalexusado2601 |
|
 |
12-03-2007, 04:25 PM
|
|
GreekChat Member
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Location: In a house.
Posts: 9,564
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaFrog
Well, if you're going to adopt an "it's their house" stance, how far are you going to take that? Why is rape ok, but genocide isn't?
|
How many times do I have to say it?
SHE WAS NOT BEING PUNISHED FOR THE RAPE
read:
According to Arab News, the court said the woman's punishment was increased because of "her attempt to aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media."
She had initially been sentenced to 90 lashes after being convicting her of violating Saudi's rigid laws on segregation of the sexes.
Under Saudi Arabia's interpretation of Islamic Sharia law, women are not allowed in public in the company of men other than their male relatives.
Does it say anywhere in there about her being punished for being raped?
She was with someone that she HAD NO BUSINESS BEING WITH.
If she WAS NEVER RAPED....under their law she was STILL GUILTY of the crime, right?
Right!
__________________
Law and Order: Gotham - In the Criminal Justice System of Gotham City the people are represented by three separate, yet equally important groups. The police who investigate crime, the District Attorneys who prosecute the offenders, and the Batman. These are their stories.
|
12-03-2007, 04:29 PM
|
|
GreekChat Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: The Ozdust Ballroom
Posts: 14,837
|
|
|
She wasn't punished for the rape, but her rapists were given a slap on the wrist, while she was given a totally ostentatious sentence. Supporting that means you agree that rape is ok, and she deserved it.
__________________
Facile remedium est ubertati; sterilia nullo labore vincuntur.
I think pearls are lovely, especially when you need something to clutch. ~ AzTheta
The Real World Can't Hear You ~ GC Troll
|
12-03-2007, 04:39 PM
|
|
GreekChat Member
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Location: In a house.
Posts: 9,564
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaFrog
She wasn't punished for the rape, but her rapists were given a slap on the wrist, while she was given a totally ostentatious sentence. Supporting that means you agree that rape is ok, and she deserved it.
|
See...now you just trying to put words in my mouth....
Bottom line...
If you are doing something you know you have no business doing, when you are cognizant of what the rules are, then somewhere along the line, you have to realize that there are consequences and repercussions of your actions.
and you still didn't read did you:
Her initial punishment:
She had initially been sentenced to 90 lashes after being convicting her of violating Saudi's rigid laws on segregation of the sexes.
THIER initial punishment
The initial sentences for the men convicted of the gang rape ranged from 10 months to five years in prison.
Her NEW sentence (because she wanted to take it to the media)
A Saudi court sentenced a woman who had been gang raped to six months in jail and 200 lashes more than doubling her initial penalty for being in the car of a man who was not a relative, a newspaper reported Thursday.
THIER new sentence
Their new sentences range from two to nine years, the paper said.
and if thier prisons are like thier laws....it won't be a walk in the park like American jails.
__________________
Law and Order: Gotham - In the Criminal Justice System of Gotham City the people are represented by three separate, yet equally important groups. The police who investigate crime, the District Attorneys who prosecute the offenders, and the Batman. These are their stories.
|
12-03-2007, 04:42 PM
|
|
GreekChat Member
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: The Ozdust Ballroom
Posts: 14,837
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaemonSeid
Her NEW sentence (because she wanted to take it to the media)
A Saudi court sentenced a woman who had been gang raped to six months in jail and 200 lashes more than doubling her initial penalty for being in the car of a man who was not a relative, a newspaper reported Thursday.
|
She took it to the media because she wanted justice for her rapists. 10 months is NOT justice.
__________________
Facile remedium est ubertati; sterilia nullo labore vincuntur.
I think pearls are lovely, especially when you need something to clutch. ~ AzTheta
The Real World Can't Hear You ~ GC Troll
|
12-03-2007, 05:44 PM
|
|
GreekChat Member
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Location: In a house.
Posts: 9,564
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaFrog
She took it to the media because she wanted justice for her rapists. 10 months is NOT justice.
|
not justice in YOUR eyes....you are still treating it as if they are here.
To a point,I believe that they are looking at it as...in the process of committing a crime an unfortunate and tragic circumstance happened to her, thus she really doesn't have that much of a case.
Again...that is thier country and that 10 months in jail may be harsher time served that 10 months here in American jail....
That's almost like saying...ok...you are breaking into a house...in the process of doing so, KNOWING that this is against the law, you get caught by the owner, shot, paralyzed and severely beaten and now you want to have him arrested and jailed for commiting a wrong while in the process of your committing a wrong.
He gets a lighter sentence and you, being pissed off that he walks (literally and figuratively) and you have to spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair, want to take that to the media...?
Here is the question:
What was so important about that picture that she risked the horrible things that she wound up having to endure that she DIDN'T take anyone with her?
Let's play Devil's Advocate.....
Let's say that she took her brother, uncle, father...hell, her HUSBAND...to meet this guy....and due to the fact the we are talking overwhelming numbers, STILL attacked by these 7 men....
Do you STILL think her government would be punishing her?
NO....because at that point the initial crime that she was punished for is NOT a CRIME...she was with a related male in the company of a non related male...now all you have to punish is THE RAPE and THE RAPISTS.
__________________
Law and Order: Gotham - In the Criminal Justice System of Gotham City the people are represented by three separate, yet equally important groups. The police who investigate crime, the District Attorneys who prosecute the offenders, and the Batman. These are their stories.
Last edited by DaemonSeid; 12-03-2007 at 05:51 PM.
|
12-03-2007, 05:54 PM
|
|
GreekChat Member
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 2,954
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaemonSeid
Again...that is thier country and that 10 months in jail may be harsher time served that 10 months here in American jail....
|
What difference does that make? The whole reason this debate exists (well, maybe not the WHOLE reason) is that 10 months for a crime like gang rape is insulting. It doesn't matter that those 10 months might be more difficult than 10 months in our jail system. After all, she's still getting sentenced to 6 months in THEIR jail.
I'll just come out and say it. The "women can't be alone in the company of non-relative men" law is stupid. Yes, it's their culture, but that doesn't mean their selection of laws is moral simply because it's culture. Lawful =/= moral. There's nothing at all that warrants support for this law and, especially, the repercussions for breaking it. I don't care if it is "their house".
__________________
Never let the facts stand in the way of a good answer. -Tom Magliozzi
|
12-03-2007, 06:04 PM
|
|
GreekChat Member
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Location: In a house.
Posts: 9,564
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by SydneyK
What difference does that make? The whole reason this debate exists (well, maybe not the WHOLE reason) is that 10 months for a crime like gang rape is insulting. It doesn't matter that those 10 months might be more difficult than 10 months in our jail system. After all, she's still getting sentenced to 6 months in THEIR jail.
I'll just come out and say it. The "women can't be alone in the company of non-relative men" law is stupid. Yes, it's their culture, but that doesn't mean their selection of laws is moral simply because it's culture. Lawful =/= moral. There's nothing at all that warrants support for this law and, especially, the repercussions for breaking it. I don't care if it is "their house".
|
Bottom line...it's THIER rule...not ours.
heck....what about how the US treats women on the wrong side of sexual assault...no, we may not throw them in jail or beat them...but some are ostracized for the simple fact that they were unwilling victims.
For example:
Desiree Washington and Katelyn Faber,are 2 names i can think of off the top of my head....and you don't have to be 'famous' to be an ostracized rape victim....
__________________
Law and Order: Gotham - In the Criminal Justice System of Gotham City the people are represented by three separate, yet equally important groups. The police who investigate crime, the District Attorneys who prosecute the offenders, and the Batman. These are their stories.
|
12-03-2007, 06:00 PM
|
|
GreekChat Member
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: location, location... isn't that what it's all about?
Posts: 4,207
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaemonSeid
Her initial punishment:
She had initially been sentenced to 90 lashes after being convicting her of violating Saudi's rigid laws on segregation of the sexes.
|
Like this would have been a walk in the park comparatively. Jesus, NINETY lashes, can you imagine? I can't even wrap my head around 200...
|
12-03-2007, 06:11 PM
|
|
GreekChat Member
|
|
Join Date: May 2007
Location: In a house.
Posts: 9,564
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by nittanyalum
Like this would have been a walk in the park comparatively. Jesus, NINETY lashes, can you imagine? I can't even wrap my head around 200...
|
ok...and how could she have avoided getting 90 lashes?
__________________
Law and Order: Gotham - In the Criminal Justice System of Gotham City the people are represented by three separate, yet equally important groups. The police who investigate crime, the District Attorneys who prosecute the offenders, and the Batman. These are their stories.
|
|
| Thread Tools |
|
|
| Display Modes |
 Hybrid Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
