Hazing Alleged -- Hartwick (NY) Fraternity

actually the alpha chi rho at hartwick college was local and lost their national accreditation in the 80's .

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by AOIImuffin8

actually the alpha chi rho at hartwick college was local and lost their national accreditation in the 80's .

No, it was the Xi Phi chapter of Alpha Chi Rho. Their webpage (at least the frontpage) is still up.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Most locals only have one chapter. While some have more, I wouldn't assume that's the case for most or all.

I know of a local that hazes very severely. Their charter was pulled by the school...but they don't care. They initiate members every semester, they have a house with letters on it next to the school [none of the greek houses are on campus there], they participate in Greek Week, etc. With locals, as long as they and their alum consider them a fraternity, a charter sure doesn't mean much.

I believe when PA referred to "closing chapters" she meant the Greek Council can close or suspend a group.

As for the local in your example, why are the other groups at the school letting them participate in Greek week? Sounds like some enabling going on there. Is this a school with all locals?

Originally Posted by whittleschmegg

I know of nationals whose charters have been taken away by nationals and they are not allowed to associate themselves with the university they attend yet they still hold events and have a pledge period. Locals can give GLOs bad names as well as Nationals, it depends on the campus culture and the members of the chapter.

Those are NOT locals. Those are underground chapters. This isn't even apples and oranges, it's apples and hippos.

[whittleschmegg]

Those are NOT locals. Those are underground chapters. This isn't even apples and oranges, it's apples and hippos.[/QUOTE]

What I was trying to say was that a school taking away a locals charter is the same as a national doing it. That organization would have to go underground just as a national would, it doesn't matter if the alumni consider themselves in a fraternity their charter has been revoked by the schools advisors and governing body. I obviously did not make my point in my first post, hope this clears up the statement I was trying to make

[33girl]

Originally Posted by whittleschmegg

What I was trying to say was that a school taking away a locals charter is that same as a national doing it. That organization would have to go underground just as a national would, it doesn't matter if the alumni consider themselves in a fraternity their charter has been revoked by the schools advisors and governing body. I obviously did not make my point in my first post, hope this clears up the statement I was trying to make

That makes more sense and is quite true. Your sentences just kinda flowed together & it sounded as though you were saying nationally revoked chapters of nationals = locals. Thanks for clearing that up.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by whittleschmegg

What I was trying to say was that a school taking away a locals charter is the same as a national doing it. That organization would have to go underground just as a national would, it doesn't matter if the alumni consider themselves in a fraternity their charter has been revoked by the schools advisors and governing body.

I see your point, and I think you're right. But for the sake of being almost anally-clear (yeah, I'll admit it ), a school cannot revoke or take away a charter; a school revokes or takes away recognition as an approved student organization. A charter is a document from a national fraternity or sorority establishing a chapter of that national org. (For that reason, I would think that a local would not have a charter, unless it was actually created -- not just recognized -- by the school.) Only the national org can issue the charter, so only the national org can revoke or suspend it.