Craig attempts to change Guilty plea

skylark · #1 09-26-2007, 06:55 PM

Just to clarify my last post making a connection between Larry Craig to Al Gore ... I know that global warming and gay/lesbian rights are very different issues and distinguishable in many many ways. What I think Craig could have done was become a distinguished voice and face on this political issue. He has for many years been well-respected and it would probably open up a lot of people's minds if he came out. My comparison to Al Gore was that Gore gave America a face and voice of someone relatively mainstream as a proponent of concern over global warming. Having a recognizable face people can associate with a cause is very powerful in politics, and Larry Craig had an opportunity to spearhead what could have been a meaningful national debate on the issue.

VandalSquirrel · #2 09-26-2007, 08:23 PM

A lot of people in Idaho are upset about this, no doubt, but I care less about his private life, and much more that he was a senior senator and we've lost what little influence and clout we had in DC. Now we're left with Bill Sali who believes that breast caner and abortion are linked http://www.spokesmanreview.com/idaho....asp?ID=157294 and it is going to take a lot of time to regain what we've lost as a result of Craig.

I also feel horrible for his wife. If, in fact, he has had anonymous sex he may have exposed her to disease, and that is unforgivable regardless of who or what a person decides to be intimate with.

KSig RC · #3 09-26-2007, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by skylark

Just to clarify my last post making a connection between Larry Craig to Al Gore ... I know that global warming and gay/lesbian rights are very different issues and distinguishable in many many ways. What I think Craig could have done was become a distinguished voice and face on this political issue. He has for many years been well-respected and it would probably open up a lot of people's minds if he came out. My comparison to Al Gore was that Gore gave America a face and voice of someone relatively mainstream as a proponent of concern over global warming. Having a recognizable face people can associate with a cause is very powerful in politics, and Larry Craig had an opportunity to spearhead what could have been a meaningful national debate on the issue.

I think we're not really speaking the same language here. I mean . . .

He's not a face for gay America, because Larry Craig a.) doesn't do anything positive for gay communities or even represent their interests when he's getting head in a bathroom and b.) HE LIKELY ISN'T EVEN GAY, IN SPITE OF HIS ACTS

skylark · #4 09-27-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC

I think we're not really speaking the same language here. I mean . . .

He's not a face for gay America, because Larry Craig a.) doesn't do anything positive for gay communities or even represent their interests when he's getting head in a bathroom and b.) HE LIKELY ISN'T EVEN GAY, IN SPITE OF HIS ACTS

I said that Craig had an opportunity to be a political face and voice for gay America and that it was unfortunate that he didn't take that opportunity ... not that he is a face or voice for gay America.

DaemonSeid · #5 09-27-2007, 01:16 PM

Skylark....

http://www.alternet.org/bloggers/howard/61485/

Frank speaks on Craig.

KSig RC · #6 09-27-2007, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by skylark

I said that Craig had an opportunity to be a political face and voice for gay America and that it was unfortunate that he didn't take that opportunity ... not that he is a face or voice for gay America.

How did he have this opportunity?

How would taking this opportunity NOT require him to be a voice for gay America?

Is he even gay?

Would it really help/would he actually be that voice you're claiming he could be?

I just think you're being quite short-sighted here - no such opportunity existed, and in fact he has the distinct opportunity to be a voice against gay America in many ways, no matter how positive he may act.

DaemonSeid · #7 09-27-2007, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC

How did he have this opportunity?

How would taking this opportunity NOT require him to be a voice for gay America?

Is he even gay?

Would it really help/would he actually be that voice you're claiming he could be?

I just think you're being quite short-sighted here - no such opportunity existed, and in fact he has the distinct opportunity to be a voice against gay America in many ways, no matter how positive he may act.

With his record....he could go either way.... no pun intended.

lovelyivy84 · #8 09-27-2007, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC

How did he have this opportunity?

How would taking this opportunity NOT require him to be a voice for gay America?

Is he even gay?

Would it really help/would he actually be that voice you're claiming he could be?

I just think you're being quite short-sighted here - no such opportunity existed, and in fact he has the distinct opportunity to be a voice against gay America in many ways, no matter how positive he may act.

Good points.
Mcgreevey did not become a 'spokesman' for gay America- he really tried to position himself that way, but people think he's a lying sleazy asshole for the most part.