Letters on Bid Day???

[33girl]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Whether you're 'proud of it' or not, it's still hazing.

How can a feeling of pride be hazing? She's not saying anyone made her do anything. Plus, you have no idea who the other groups were or what their policies are, so you have a lot of balls trying to say that something they required their pledges to do is hazing. Before you make that accusation, check the nationall policies. Not everyone's are the same (to wit: A E Phi not being allowed to wear their letters as pledges).

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by 33girl

How can a feeling of pride be hazing? She's not saying anyone made her do anything. Plus, you have no idea who the other groups were or what their policies are, so you have a lot of balls trying to say that something they required their pledges to do is hazing. Before you make that accusation, check the nationall policies. Not everyone's are the same (to wit: A E Phi not being allowed to wear their letters as pledges).

True. What I was referring to [in case you misunderstood] is being forced to wear sorority colors all the time.

[SthrnZeta]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

True. What I was referring to [in case you misunderstood] is being forced to wear sorority colors all the time.

We were encouraged to wear buttons, shirts we had been given, etc. as much as possible and no new member minded because we were so excited to be a part of Zeta. Now I KNOW that's not hazing! I'm sure most, if not all, GLOs do that. Participating in traditions such as waiting to wear letters, IMO, facilitates that sisterhood bond, and a pledge class bond. Not all traditions should be followed, true (circling fat type of hazing, for example) but I really feel this one is harmless!

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by SthrnZeta

I was honestly jealous of the girls who had to wear their pledge ribbons all the time, I would have been proud to wear my sorority colors every day whether I was told to or not.

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Whether you're 'proud of it' or not, it's still hazing.

. . .

Regardless of what you 'feel', it's hazing. Sorry that your definition doesn't match the law.

Sorry, but neither does yours -- at least not any law I've ever heard of, and I am familiar with the hazing laws of at least some states. I've not run across any hazing law that would cover requiring new members/pledges/whatever to wear their pins or colors. Without more (such as the possible punishment for breaking this rule), I can't even see how it would meet the criteria of the NPC definition:

Hazing is defined as any action or situation with or without consent which recklessly, intentionally or unintentionally endangers the mental or physical health or safety of a student, or creates risk of injury, or causes discomfort, embarrassment, harassment or ridicule or which willfully destroys or removes public or private property for the purpose of initiation or admission into or affiliation with, or as a condition for continued membership in a chapter or colony of an NPC member fraternity.

No endangerment of physical or mental health, no risk of injury, not reasonably (at least, not without other factors) a cause of "discomfort, embarrassment, harassment or ridicule."

By itself, it just ain't hazing.