Sexual orientation and MS

[LaneSig]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

I don't see this making any progress.

LaneSig: has someone taken over your account? I feel like I'm usually on the same page with you.

lol - No, no one took over my account. And please do not think that my original post was attacking you in any way.

"I don't see this making any progress." Truer words were never spoken. Just as SWTXBelle said in her post, this started out as a slight discussion, but is starting to go downhill. I had purposely not made any more posts because I felt that I said my piece and didn't have any more to elaborate.

(Now, so no one will misunderstand, mentally picture me saying this in a calm, conversational tone, not an angry rant. One of the biggest lessons you learn in teaching is how tone of voice can be misconstrued.)

SEC Domination- Do I personally know that any of your brothers are gay? No. Haven't seen them, haven't met them, etc. But, from my own life experiences with my own chapter and friends from other chapters I am suggesting that there is a possibility.

He is the guy who is terrified that his friends will find out, because he 'knows' they will not want to be friends any longer.

He is the guy who always has a date or a girlfriend, because then his brothers will not suspect that he has a crush on Tebow.

He is the guy who always volunteers and goes out of his way to be friends with everybody: Maybe then, if they ever do find out, they will still like him as a friend.

He is even the guy who will make the biggest stink against gays, because he is as terrified of the prospect himself as some of his brothers.

I had a friend in college who played football, belonged to a fraternity. Mr. Happy Go Lucky, Mr. Campus Leader. Went to all of the sorority dances because the girls loved him. Called me 3 years after graduation, wanting to kill himself, because he was so miserable. We talked for 4 hours. We still talk to this day. I have been on vacations with him and his partner. Just a blast to be around. I can not imagine him not being in my life just because of who he sleeps with. And, believe me, I was raised in a very conservative religion (Church of Christ), so it took some changes on my part.

You have your ideals and opinions. I'm not telling you to totally give up your belief system. Just know that there are many situations coming up in life that will change your views.

[TPASIGEP]

Without quoting your post and making this thread longer, I completely agree! While we all have our opinions of whether being gay is a 'learned behavior' or not, it's just that - an opinion - and everyone is entitled to one. Although, I would love to hear from someone who is gay or knows someone who's gay to have said that they choose to be gay.

Ironically, I had my best friend, and fraternity brother, come out to me last weekend. He's spent the last 30 years of his life living 'straight'. He said he's known he was gay since he was 10, but for him it was 'never an option to be gay'.

I have no idea how someone at that age can 'learn' that behavior. It's sad that our society places such a stigma on this.

Also, while I give TOTAL support to the belief that each fraternity or sorority has every right to decide who they wish to admit to their membership, the belief that any one of our houses hasn't had a member who is gay, is not realistic.

[ealymc]

Originally Posted by LaneSig

SEC Domination- Do I personally know that any of your brothers are gay? No. Haven't seen them, haven't met them, etc. But, from my own life experiences with my own chapter and friends from other chapters I am suggesting that there is a possibility.

He is the guy who is terrified that his friends will find out, because he 'knows' they will not want to be friends any longer.

He is the guy who always has a date or a girlfriend, because then his brothers will not suspect that he has a crush on Tebow.

He is the guy who always volunteers and goes out of his way to be friends with everybody: Maybe then, if they ever do find out, they will still like him as a friend.

He is even the guy who will make the biggest stink against gays, because he is as terrified of the prospect himself as some of his brothers.

You have your ideals and opinions. I'm not telling you to totally give up your belief system. Just know that there are many situations coming up in life that will change your views.

Very well put. Kudos, sir.