Clinton, Obama, or Edwards?

honeychile · #1 08-27-2007, 01:21 PM

Please realize first that I don't feel that I have a dog in this fight - yet.

What bothers me is that I've been told by someone in foreign policy that a devout Muslim man cannot be touched by a woman to whom he's not related, that he cannot enter Paradise if it happens. This person then explained that's one of the biggest reasons we're not getting very far with our Middle Eastern policies, as Condeleeza Rice is our Secretary of State.

Now, assuming that he's correct, why would we even entertain the concept of a female president? Wouldn't that put us even further behind in the Middle East?

If you can, put your thoughts about me aside, and discuss this. I'd be interested in hearing if anyone knew if that was correct or not.

AlphaFrog · #2 08-27-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by honeychile

Now, assuming that he's correct, why would we even entertain the concept of a female president? Wouldn't that put us even further behind in the Middle East?

Because if the female can do 100X better job at DOMESTIC politics than the man running against her, I don't think we should let another country's view of what's "proper" dictate our country.

#1 Priority should be taking care of THIS country.

honeychile · #3 08-27-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Because if the female can do 100X better job at DOMESTIC politics than the man running against her, I don't think we should let another country's view of what's "proper" dictate our country.

#1 Priority should be taking care of THIS country.

I agree about domestic policy - but keeping this country safe from terrorists is a huge priority, too.

FYI, I have nothing against having a woman run for president, as I have voted for a woman running for president in the past.

NutBrnHair · #4 08-27-2007, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Because if the female can do 100X better job at DOMESTIC politics than the man running against her, I don't think we should let another country's view of what's "proper" dictate our country.

#1 Priority should be taking care of THIS country.

How nice if we could live in our own little bubble.

AlphaFrog · #5 08-27-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

How nice if we could live in our own little bubble.

How nice if I tell you where to put that bubble.

Would you not vote for a President of ChiO because LXA would have a problem with it?

Kevin · #6 08-27-2007, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

How nice if I tell you where to put that bubble.

Would you not vote for a President of ChiO because LXA would have a problem with it?

Is that LXA pursuing state supported terrorism and a nuclear weapons program?

AlphaFrog · #7 08-27-2007, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin

Is that LXA pursuing state supported terrorism and a nuclear weapons program?

No comment.

Tom Earp · #8 08-27-2007, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

How nice if I tell you where to put that bubble.

Would you not vote for a President of ChiO because LXA would have a problem with it?

Hm, interesting post or not.

Maybe if you put ASA in I could comment more but I won't.

Oh, you have no comment? Amazing!

GeekyPenguin · #9 08-27-2007, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by honeychile

Please realize first that I don't feel that I have a dog in this fight - yet.

What bothers me is that I've been told by someone in foreign policy that a devout Muslim man cannot be touched by a woman to whom he's not related, that he cannot enter Paradise if it happens. This person then explained that's one of the biggest reasons we're not getting very far with our Middle Eastern policies, as Condeleeza Rice is our Secretary of State.

Now, assuming that he's correct, why would we even entertain the concept of a female president? Wouldn't that put us even further behind in the Middle East?

If you can, put your thoughts about me aside, and discuss this. I'd be interested in hearing if anyone knew if that was correct or not.

I did a little Googling because I had never heard of this and was curious since I've seen Muslim classmates of mine shake hands with other women, and I don't think it's true they can't enter Paradise, but I do think it's a forbidden practice. Several articles also mentioned that Orthodox Jews have the same practice.

I wouldn't really consider this when I voted anyway - maybe Secretary Rice just doesn't shake hands when she meets Muslim men. A bow or head nod would probably suffice.

mulattogyrl · #10 08-27-2007, 08:01 PM

I was really torn about this, but the more I learn about him, the more I'm leaning toward Obama.

mulattogyrl · #11 08-27-2007, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by honeychile

Please realize first that I don't feel that I have a dog in this fight - yet.

What bothers me is that I've been told by someone in foreign policy that a devout Muslim man cannot be touched by a woman to whom he's not related, that he cannot enter Paradise if it happens. This person then explained that's one of the biggest reasons we're not getting very far with our Middle Eastern policies, as Condeleeza Rice is our Secretary of State.

Now, assuming that he's correct, why would we even entertain the concept of a female president? Wouldn't that put us even further behind in the Middle East?

If you can, put your thoughts about me aside, and discuss this. I'd be interested in hearing if anyone knew if that was correct or not.

I don't know where this person got this info from, because there have been female Muslim leaders throughout history:

http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/Muslim_Leaders.htm

Munchkin03 · #12 08-27-2007, 09:15 PM

I am debating between Obama and Clinton. I think Hillary is too much of a flip-flopper, though, and will do anything to please her audience. I really want Obama to get more experience in the Senate, though.

John Edwards (and his wife too!) is spending too much time lashing out at the other candidates. What is he bringing to the table?

AKA_Monet · #13 08-27-2007, 09:24 PM

I hate to mean, but that's another reason why the Demoncrats will not win the WH in 2008...

McCain vs Romney, hands down.

Do I support them? No, I donated money to Obama's campaign. I think he means well. But under pressure, what can he do?

Now, Michelle Obama has my vote anyday! That chick is tight! In fact she does wear Prada...

honeychile · #14 08-27-2007, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mulattogyrl

I don't know where this person got this info from, because there have been female Muslim leaders throughout history:

http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/Muslim_Leaders.htm

He's in one of the US's international security programs, and has been there for several years/administrations. I would consider him an impeccable source.

Maybe they do simply nod or bow instead, I don't know. I did read it somewhere recently, but that source was much less "pure".

It probably is a difference between the sects. After all, some Muslim women simply cover their heads, others wear the veil, still others cover their entire body. I did find this passage which states that an engaged couple should not hold hands.

I will definitely ask my friend further questions, and continue to check the internet for further enlightenment on this.

AGDee · #15 08-27-2007, 11:15 PM

I'm leaning toward Edwards of the three. I think it's time for some newer blood rather than have a Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton era. Hilary is polarizing. Obama is charming and well spoken and can impress a crowd, but he offers few details about how he will do all that he promises. That leaves Edwards, who I really have no complaints about at all.