2007 UGA Recruitment

[cluelessUGAmom]

Well, with only the 1 rec phoned in, my D has a full sked today with her top 2 on it!!!! #3 has all along not been one of her "fits" but she kept saying they seem to really like her. however, she is going to all 3 but she is considering not listing the #3 on her ranking - just the other 2 where she will be happy at either one. Is this the "suicide" thing?

But after reading about Auburn Mom who's D had full skeds every day and wound up with the bid of the one she didn't feel fit, and is still miserable, I'm thinking that my D should not list it if she does not want to be there at all. Any thoughts?

She told me too that she feels so badly for girls who didn't get any and also only got 1 or 2 that they didn't really like. She told me about 1 girl who got 3 and complained that she didn't really like any of them and I advised her that the girl may be feeling that way because she didn't get her top choice and she needs to make the best of today and be glad she has 3! My D also tried to be very quiet when she got her sked and didn't say anything unless she was asked because she saw some girls get so excited and they were right next to others who didn't get 1 -- this is really tough.

Apparently there are 4 rounds today - but still they only go to 3; it is just that one house wanted smaller groups or is a small house and needed more time or something like that.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by cluelessUGAmom

Well, with only the 1 rec phoned in, my D has a full sked today with her top 2 on it!!!! #3 has all along not been one of her "fits" but she kept saying they seem to really like her. however, she is going to all 3 but she is considering not listing the #3 on her ranking - just the other 2 where she will be happy at either one. Is this the "suicide" thing?

Putting 2/3 is not considered "maximizing your options" and would make her ineligible for snap bids and Quota Additions (they're confusing, there are whole threads on them, but basically, it means that she can get a bid outside of the normal quota restrictions...).

I've suggested this before, but you need to have her check with her local PHC before doing so, to make sure they don't count this as not maximizing...She could put the two that she liked, and then one that cut her first round.
So, say she really liked ABC and XYZ, and also liked GBH, but GBH cut her first round, her bid card could read:
1.XYZ
2.ABC
3.GHB
Since she most likely wouldn't appear anywhere on their bidlist, she most likely wouldn't get a bid from them, but she would still be listing the maximum amount of groups.
Additionally, I wouldn't have her ask her Rho Gamma this (they probably wouldn't have a definitive answer)- I would have her ask either the Greek Life director or the PHC VP of Recruitment.

[ugadg]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Putting 2/3 is not considered "maximizing your options" and would make her ineligible for snap bids and Quota Additions (they're confusing, there are whole threads on them, but basically, it means that she can get a bid outside of the normal quota restrictions...).

I've suggested this before, but you need to have her check with her local PHC before doing so, to make sure they don't count this as not maximizing...She could put the two that she liked, and then one that cut her first round.
So, say she really liked ABC and XYZ, and also liked GBH, but GBH cut her first round, her bid card could read:
1.XYZ
2.ABC
3.GHB
Since she most likely wouldn't appear anywhere on their bidlist, she most likely wouldn't get a bid from them, but she would still be listing the maximum amount of groups.
Additionally, I wouldn't have her ask her Rho Gamma this (they probably wouldn't have a definitive answer)- I would have her ask either the Greek Life director or the PHC VP of Recruitment.

As a former rho chi at uga (and vp membership) this does not sound like it would maximize her options. I do not think you are allowed to rank houses that you did not attend a pref party. Also, houses that make quota and are already at total are normally not allowed to make snap bids. They may go a little over on quota with quota additions (girls who have ranked all their options and do not land on a pledge list before it reaches quota is at any of their houses will often be added on at one to maximize the number of girls pledged), but are not normally allowed to go over quota and total with snap bids.

Another note on cob and possible pledgeship later in the year, yes all of these houses may lose some girls through early graduation and terminating pledgeship or membership, but will it really be enough for the sorority to want to do the entire member education program again? Often large houses will not have a member education period for just a few when they are dealing with over 200 and know it will even out next year. Just some thoughts....

Perhaps a little late, but maybe some of the girls should think about the reasons why they want to join a sorority and consider if the ones they are going to will possibly meet these reasons - we all have different reasons and none are right or wrong. Sometimes these things can get lost in the stress and emotions (and heat!).

[violet14]

Originally Posted by cluelessUGAmom

Well, with only the 1 rec phoned in, my D has a full sked today with her top 2 on it!!!! #3 has all along not been one of her "fits" but she kept saying they seem to really like her. however, she is going to all 3 but she is considering not listing the #3 on her ranking - just the other 2 where she will be happy at either one. Is this the "suicide" thing?

The "suicide" thing is usually when a girl only lists one sorority after preference party. My chapter considered this a "partial suicide" and while I normally don't support suiciding because it can greatly hurt your chances of getting any bids I think that if your D is not comfortable with the 3rd house then she should not list it at all. Realistically - it is a possibility that your D is not high enough on the 2 favorites bid list to make a bid match so if she can't see herself in that 3rd choice then she doesn't need to list it at all. She just needs to make sure that she feels that strongly about this house because it does lessen her chances of a bid and at a school like UGA the COB process is sometimes non-existant (especially at the stronger sororities) because houses are already at total. I wish your D the best of luck - I am sure that she will make the decision that is best for her. Best of luck for both of your nerves as you wait for tomorrow.

[UGAgreekmom]

As a greek mom to 2 at UGA, I've read the AJC articles and your posts here, and can remember well your worries and joys for your child this past week !! Mine have graduated but being greek at UGA was a wonderful experience for them. I hope and wish the very best for your daughters at the end of this experience !! I know that the whole recruitment process is hard work- for the PNMs and sororities. The PC at UGA works to provide a good outcome for both PNMs and sororities, but I can say for sure that you MUST have recs, let everyone you know that's active in a sorority now that you are going thru recruitment, and you have to have a very open mind. There are always several sororities that everyone really likes and recruit very well. Many of the PNMs want to come back, but the sorority can only have a certain number. To keep PNMs in the recruitment process as long as possible, you rank your choices and on occassion throw in an extra 2 or 3 choices. Many girls are disappointed, both PNMs and in the sorority, but for most, this probably imperfect system works out well. I would really recommend that each PNM rank every pref party they attend. When the formal bids are issued, a lot of the sororities already have a list of girls they will talk to immediately if they have an open bid and the openings to reach quota are sometimes very few. As parents, get involved with your child's group !! Throughout the year there will be activities for parents and families and I would encourage you to attend. You will be amazed at the wonderful friends, activities and events that your daughter has become a part of at UGA !!

[AuburnMom]

Originally Posted by cluelessUGAmom

But after reading about Auburn Mom who's D had full skeds every day and wound up with the bid of the one she didn't feel fit, and is still miserable, I'm thinking that my D should not list it if she does not want to be there at all. Any thoughts?

Just to set the record straight my daughter loves the sorority she ended up with at Auburn; it was one of her two favorites from the beginning. I think you may be talking about AUGreekMom's (not AuburnMom's) daughter in your quote above.

I just wanted to clear things up so that the poor DG's at Auburn didn't think they had a new pledge that wasn't happy to be there!

good luck to all you Georgia Parents and your daughters from the Auburn parents and their daughters! We're keeping our fingers crossed for all of you.....

[AuburnMom]

p.s... I so understand the comments about the lack of sleep from the Georgia parents. I slept with my cell phone and my house phone for a solid week when my daughter was going through rush at Auburn earlier this week; just so I could make sure I was there for her if she needed me.

It was nice to able to return the phones to their normal places in the house when the week was over!

[UGAMOM01]

I talked with my D earlier today. She is going back to 3 houses today, however of the 3 only one is and has been one of her top choices. She is considering suicide. Her thoughts are that of her two top choices last night, she would be happy with either one, but only one of those sororities was on her schedule this morning, and she didn't really want to be in the other two groups. After talking, she agreed to be open minded to the consider the girls who are potential new members (pledge class) as well as reevaluating the girls already in the house before making a final decision regarding suicide.

Suicide concerns me for her sake, but I can only be a listening ear, raise question to options, and be a voice of support to what ever her final decision.

I have prayed for decernment in the final phase of this crazy week for all the girls. Good luck to all girls and us parents. May we all sleep better come Friday night!

[NUBlue&Blue]

Good luck to your daughter!

Friday night you'll all be sleeping and I'll just be getting started!

But at least all the "friends" will be settled and my daughter can concentrate on what's going on with her own rush!

[UGAgreekmom]

You're being a very supportive mom for your D right now. I know that she's very disappointed, but I think that she's right to go to the 3 parties and evaluate again what each group has to offer. Sometimes, in all the frenzy and exhaustion of recruitment, these girls begin to think they've found what they want, but when they have a chance to look again at a group, they find something there they hadn't seen before. Very often these girls get to a pref party and realize that the other PNMs in the room are very much like themselves, and they find that they could be happy with that group. This a always very emotional but it will be over soon. Your D will be happy at UGA in or out of a sorority - and you'll be happy for her, too. Good luck to you both!!!

[UGAMOM01]

I need to retract and apologozie for the comment made earlier, "considering suicide" instead of S.I.P. (single intention preference). No thought was put into my typing and the manner in which someone might have read those poor choice of words.

My D is emotionally fine about this final phase of RUSH, just to clarify.

To all of you wonderful parents and family members who this may have read this and been disturbed by that phrase for what ever reason, please accept my sincere apologies.

UGAMOM01

[33girl]

Oh no, no need to clarify! I knew I should have put a or in there somewhere.

If you said SIP or ISP or whatever the heck it is, 7/8ths of the people on here wouldn't have known what you were talking about. It's politically correct doublespeak at its finest!

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by UGAMOM01

I need to retract and apologozie for the comment made earlier, "considering suicide" instead of S.I.P. (single intention preference). No thought was put into my typing and the manner in which someone might have read those poor choice of words.

My D is emotionally fine about this final phase of RUSH, just to clarify.

To all of you wonderful parents and family members who this may have read this and been disturbed by that phrase for what ever reason, please accept my sincere apologies.

UGAMOM01

Using an -ing will remove all doubt, especially on GC. ie. She is thinking about suiciding XYZ.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by UGAMOM01

I talked with my D earlier today. She is going back to 3 houses today, however of the 3 only one is and has been one of her top choices. She is considering suicide.

Thank heaven we all know what you're talking about, or this would sound really bad.

Then again, that's why the term suicide is used - to convey the gravity of what you're doing. "Intentional Single Preference" abbreviated to "ISP" doesn't quite cut it.