Psycho/Stalker PNM's?!

BabyPiNK_FL · #1 08-14-2007, 08:35 PM

Maybe someone (and I know from personal experience that this is difficult) from the university can contact her parents and inform them of her behavior. Even though she's not "hurting" anybody she's mentally affecting others and that's not okay. And as a member of Panhellenic I totally would have told her I "ran out of forms" and if she paid online I would boot her from the system and refund her money through the ICS. I definitely would not force the chapters to see someone who has this type of behavior nor allow her to do this to herself again. Obviously talking to her does no good. Does your school have GPA requirements to rush? Does she fulfill them? (You'd think that her crying must get in the way of an education). Or a judicial council that XY can file an official complaint with? They can force her to get help and suspend/expel her from school if she refuses to do so if there is enough of a problem. I should know, I had a harasser of mine (someone who no one would have expected) suspended from school until that person got counseling. And I had a "stay away" order sent to this person via campus police (it's not quite a restraining order but it formally lets this person know that you do not want them near you). Perhaps that is an option.

UGAalum94 · #2 08-14-2007, 08:48 PM

Although I agree that actually barring her from registration might be hard or even impossible, I happen to think that people can tell her not to rush.

The director of student activities or dean of students or whatever you got can call her into his/her office and say, "We do not think that your participation in recruitment is a good idea based on last year's experience. We are refunding your registration fee and strongly discourage any attempts on your part to re-register."

Because she's established that she's crazy, she might not heed the warning, but it seems that having made clear that her participation is unwelcome, it's going to be easier for groups to call the cops if she shows up after she's been released.

And again, it's really hard to accept that the college is taking this woman's issues very seriously. It seems to me that the campus climate about crazy people might be a little different post Virginia Tech (not that she's that kind of crazy) and that the school should be doing more here. It's kind of appalling that they are so committed to not dealing with it.

KSUViolet06 · #3 08-15-2007, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL

Even though she's not "hurting" anybody she's mentally affecting others and that's not okay. And as a member of Panhellenic I totally would have told her I "ran out of forms" and if she paid online I would boot her from the system and refund her money through the ICS. I definitely would not force the chapters to see someone who has this type of behavior nor allow her to do this to herself again. Obviously talking to her does no good. Does your school have GPA requirements to rush? Does she fulfill them? (You'd think that her crying must get in the way of an education). Or a judicial council that XY can file an official complaint with? They can force her to get help and suspend/expel her from school if she refuses to do so if there is enough of a problem. I should know, I had a harasser of mine (someone who no one would have expected) suspended from school until that person got counseling. And I had a "stay away" order sent to this person via campus police (it's not quite a restraining order but it formally lets this person know that you do not want them near you). Perhaps that is an option.

To answer some of your questions:

*PHC and the Greek Life staff have determined that since she meets all the requirements, they can't prevent her from rushing.

*We do have a university judicial affairs system, and XY did consult a representative. He told them that they didn't have case because she hasn't violated a university conduct rule (basically unless she causes harm or threatens them, she can't be brought to student court).

*The chapter has alerted the university police and they have said that if she is seen on the property again that she'll be arrested for trespassing.

UGAalum94 · #4 08-15-2007, 09:58 PM

What do you think about how they are handling it, KSUViolet?

I know I've jumped in and been all judgmental, but as someone on the scene, do you think they are doing enough?

Do you think Greek Life is just be cowardly?

SoCalGirl · #5 08-15-2007, 10:43 PM

So if the police are willing to arrest her for tresspassing wouldn't that prevent her from attending the chapter during recruitment?

TSteven · #6 08-15-2007, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalGirl

So if the police are willing to arrest her for tresspassing wouldn't that prevent her from attending the chapter during recruitment?

I believe it would only apply to invite parties.

As I understand it, if you sign up for recruitment, then you are at least "invited" to the "open" (first) parties. At the point in the rounds or parties where she is *not* invited (i.e. not on the list), then she would be tresspassing if she showed up etc. And of course if she shows up during any other time when she isn't invited. (i.e. between rounds, after being cut etc.)

Otherwise, it seems like they would have to have a restraining order to keep her from attending the open (first) party.

KSUViolet06 · #7 08-16-2007, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCalGirl

So if the police are willing to arrest her for tresspassing wouldn't that prevent her from attending the chapter during recruitment?

Actually no. The first 2 rounds of recruitment aren't held in the chapter houses. Since she'd be cut after round 2 (when PNMs receive invites), it wouldn't even be an issue.

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Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

What do you think about how they are handling it, KSUViolet.

Do you think Greek Life is just be cowardly?

I think everyone involved is doing what they can. Greek Life can't do anything except let her sign up and see what happens.

They have mentioned letting her assigned Rho Chi know ahead of time (before she meets her other PNMs) that Crying Girl will be in her group so she can call her a few extra times before rush starts so they can talk about her having rushed last year. This way the PX knows what she's dealing with and can assist her better when she is cut (by referring her to Health Services for counseling etc).

There are some alumnae who are specualting that she won't even stay at school this year if she doesn't get a bid. We'll just have to see how this turns out.

KSUViolet06 · #8 09-20-2007, 09:22 PM

In case any of you are wondering about Crying Girl, she ended up withdrawing from recruitment after day one, but according to a PX who spoke to her, she plans to transfer to a smaller school in Ohio and try rush again because she feels like she'd have a better chance of getting a bid at somewhere smaller.

Honestly, the school itself is big, but Greek Life isn't. Our recruitment is not competitve at all. I don't think moving anywhere would change much. If she moves and still doesn't get a bid, I think it will just start the cycle all over again.