"You'll end up where you were meant to"...

[carnation]

What I'm talking about are organizations that you try out for like Angel Flight (now Silver Wings), War Eagle Girls (the main ambassador group), sports auxiliaries, and leadership honoraries. You had to go through numerous selection procedures like interviews and teas and some groups would have first and second cuts. Usually the groups were top-heavy with women from the older sororities because the old members voted on the new members and they tended to vote for sisters or women in "like" sororities. Hundreds of women would try for 10 or 20 open slots.

This wasn't just at Auburn--this was at all universities I attended and others I've taught at.

[LXA SE285]

What I'm talking about are organizations that you try out for like Angel Flight (now Silver Wings), War Eagle Girls (the main ambassador group), sports auxiliaries, and leadership honoraries.

Same thing holds true at Bama for groups like Jasons, Capstone Men and Women, ODK, and Blue Key.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by carnation

What I'm talking about are organizations that you try out for like Angel Flight (now Silver Wings), War Eagle Girls (the main ambassador group), sports auxiliaries, and leadership honoraries. You had to go through numerous selection procedures like interviews and teas and some groups would have first and second cuts. Usually the groups were top-heavy with women from the older sororities because the old members voted on the new members and they tended to vote for sisters or women in "like" sororities. Hundreds of women would try for 10 or 20 open slots.

This wasn't just at Auburn--this was at all universities I attended and others I've taught at.

Yep. And it's not that there's a screening that says you have to be Greek to do it, or even the "who you know" aspect with old GLOs voting for new members which could certainly be a part: it's just that the same type of person with the overall qualification to be selected for these elite groups are also the same qualifications that get PNM in top GLOs.

Now, of course there are always independent represented among the super selective university wide groups, but had these independents rushed, they'd probably have been eagerly pick up by GLOs.

It's not a formal exclusionary practice of Only Top Greeks allowed. It's just often works out that way because the Greeks are leaders and joiners.

[BadCat25]

Carnation - Just so I understand what is going on at Auburn. Hundreds of women try for 10 or 20 open slots in the War Eagle Girls. There is a selection process run by old members who are also in the top sororities. The old members then vote for their sisters or members of "like" sororities. You think this is the way it should be.

Pardon me for being an idealistic college kid.

[carnation]

Originally Posted by BadCat25

Carnation - You think this is the way it should be.Pardon me for being an idealistic college kid.

No, I'll pardon you for being a troll or maybe I won't. In no way have I said that it should be that way. But if you happened to read what the posters from other SEC schools said in addition to what I did, you may have noticed that we said that that's how it's done. Not one of us approved.

[BadCat25]

Carnation - If that's the way it's done at the college where you work and you don't approve why don't you work to make the selection process for these groups more inclusive. You could end up being a real hero to the rest of the students.

[dgdramadawg]

Originally Posted by BadCat25

Carnation - If that's the way it's done at the college where you work and you don't approve why don't you work to make the selection process for these groups more inclusive. You could end up being a real hero to the rest of the students.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's not necessarily part of her job.

[UGAalum94]

It's not part of her job, and I don't even think she ever worked at Auburn*. I think she was just an undergraduate student there.

BadCat, you might just need to grow up a little and not look to other people to fight the battles you think need to be fought. If this is near and dear to your heart, get after it.

Perhaps if you took us through how selections for elite organizations are done at your 45,000 dollar a year school (which incidentally, I think works against your point that the administration cares more about its students), then anyone outraged at how things are done on other campuses will know what to do.

(And honestly, unless you know what the application pool is, doesn't it even makes sense for you to draw these conclusions?)

ETA: Bases on her post below, I can see that I'm wrong about this point.

[carnation]

That's not how it's done where I teach now. And at any university, I wouldn't have any input whatsoever unless I were advisor to the group. I taught at Auburn in the eighties and advised 2 clubs but other professors certainly didn't get involved in my honoraries.

Great points, AlphaGamUGA Alum!

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by BadCat25

Carnation - If that's the way it's done at the college where you work and you don't approve why don't you work to make the selection process for these groups more inclusive. You could end up being a real hero to the rest of the students.

Or, you can just accept the fact that this is the way the world works, and get over it. Or, you can have a nervous brakedown by the time you're 30 worrying about things you can't control.

Are you going to tell a future potential employer that he should stop hiring his partner's sons and hire you because that's what's fair and inclusive?

[Zillini]

I'd like to get back to the original topic, at least in regards to highly competitive Recruitments. Yes PNM's get their hearts broken and no it's not always fair. But let's face it, life isn't going to be fair.

For many of these young women this may be the first time they've ever experienced rejection. It's a life lesson everyone needs to learn because odds are they will get rejected again sometime. Once they graduate they'll interview for a job and they're not always going to get it even if they are qualified. Depending on the job, there may be a lot of other qualified candidates and the employer needs to narrow the field somehow. No one is saying they aren't good people, just that they aren't a good fit with that group or the right person for that particular job.

My heart breaks for PNM's that don't get bids to the Chapter they've been dreaming about or maybe don't even get a bid at all. But it's not the end of the world even if it feels like it at the time. Chin up, life goes on.