Poaching Legacies

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

This would actually decrease quota...not sure I understand how that would help.

Because if (random example) the rushee at LSU is both a KKG and AXO legacy, and they add AXO, that would be another place for her to go to.

The prob is, at the type of school's honeychile's talking about, all the info I've gotten from GC makes me believe they could add every other NPC group that isn't there and it wouldn't help the situation. These girls want to be XYZ (or maybe 1 or 2 other groups) or nothing at all.

A lot of this has to start with the parents, too - if they bring their daughter up believing that Mu Mu is the best sorority, PERIOD, regardless of the chapter or who the girl/sisters like at rush, they might be setting her up for a lot of unhappiness.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

I remember thinking, "man, if I went to mom's legacy chapter, that would really put a LOT of pressure on my daughter if I ever had one," and "what if they only take me because I'm a legacy and I don't fit well at all?"

So I dropped her group, early, and she got over it.

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by 33girl

A lot of this has to start with the parents, too - if they bring their daughter up believing that Mu Mu is the best sorority, PERIOD, regardless of the chapter or who the girl/sisters like at rush, they might be setting her up for a lot of unhappiness.

Snaps

[BetteDavisEyes]

At Long Beach, it was common practice to let every chapter know if a girl was a legacy to any particular GLO.

My senior year, we had an in-house SK legacy go through (daughter of one of our advisers) and the daughter of a GPhiB adviser go through. We ended up with the GPhiB legacy and our in-house legacy went DZ.

We didn't go in thinking we were going to steal the legacy from another chapter but we didn't discourage them either from coming to our side.

[deadbear80]

I know (from helping out as an alum this year) that the sororities on my campus were only given information as to who was a legacy to their particular sorority and not any of the others on campus. I personally think it's a good rule so that each sorority can really focus on their legacies (and the other rushees for that matter!) without worrying whether a girl was going to go to their chapter or XYZ if she's a legacy there.

When I was in school, we got information about each girl's legacy status (regardless of whether it was our sorority or not). I do remember some girls in particular who were legacies to 2 chapters on campus and people saying "well, her sister is an XYZ, but she's a legacy to us through her Mom and Grandma, so we should try to *steal* her from them". Um, it's not about 'stealing' it's about getting the girls you want to come back!

Obviously, it's hard for a girl who is an in-house legacy to go through recruitment undetected when her sister is still an active...but I guess that can't be helped. I know that this year, there was a girl who went through recruitment at my school whose sister was still in school. She did not join her sister's chapter (and didn't seem to be affected by the other chapters knowing who her sister was). I also know of another girl who was in-house to 2 separate chapters on campus (since she had 2 older sisters who each joined different houses)--and she joined a completely different house (there are only 6 on campus). So it obviously doesn't seem to affect things too much on my campus. I'm sure there are questions about whether a girl will return if she's an in-house legacy--but no chapter should presume that since a girl is in-house that she'll go to her in-house legacy chapter. That holds true ESPECIALLY when the rushee's older sister/Mom/Grandmother/whoever is no longer in the chapter. As we all know, chapters change over time.

[violetpretty]

I think the rec forms should only say if a PNM is a legacy to a particular chapter. Like if my imaginary biological little sister were going through recruitment and got a rec for ZTA, the rec would not list that she is a SK legacy. From all of the stories about legacies getting cut hard for no reason other than chapters making incorrect assumptions about the legacies' preferences, it seems that knowing a PNM's legacy status at other chapters does more harm than good. I know that the general registration has PNMs list all legacy affiliations, but with ICS, only your chapter's legacies are visible.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by violetpretty

I think the rec forms should only say if a PNM is a legacy to a particular chapter. Like if my imaginary biological little sister were going through recruitment and got a rec for ZTA, the rec would not list that she is a SK legacy. From all of the stories about legacies getting cut hard for no reason other than chapters making incorrect assumptions about the legacies' preferences, it seems that knowing a PNM's legacy status at other chapters does more harm than good. I know that the general registration has PNMs list all legacy affiliations, but with ICS, only your chapter's legacies are visible.

I understand that from the PNMs perspective, you are right: other chapters knowing her legacy status doesn't really benefit her, but from the chapter's perspective is is helpful to know. On the most positive level, you know that she has an understanding of the involvement and responsibilities of Greek Life.

On a less positive level, release figures make a successful recruitment a guessing game even for the most successful chapters. You have to invite back the girls who you really want who also have your group as their number one choice, and some groups get very little cushion in terms of numbers. Any indication you might get that a pnm has an affinity elsewhere could helpful to know, in cases for which you have nothing else of merit to go with.

I think rec forms should tell the GLO everything that they can to add to the information the group could get about the PNM as long as it's accurate, and other legacies chapters is worth knowing, I think.

[TLLK]

Originally Posted by BetteDavisEyes

At Long Beach, it was common practice to let every chapter know if a girl was a legacy to any particular GLO.

My senior year, we had an in-house SK legacy go through (daughter of one of our advisers) and the daughter of a GPhiB adviser go through. We ended up with the GPhiB legacy and our in-house legacy went DZ.

We didn't go in thinking we were going to steal the legacy from another chapter but we didn't discourage them either from coming to our side.

Fall of 1983 recruitment at CSULB had at least 6 chapter legacies going through rush and 3 of them were for my DG chapter. Two were sibling legacies but my sister was a double legacy and our mother was a charter member of the chapter. All of the houses knew about the unusual number of legacies that year and were ready to do their best to recruit them to another chapter! In the end all of the legacies ended up pledging their legacy house. (However part of this rush story needs to be placed in the thread for "weird recruitment stories!"

[honeychile]

Must... Quit... Reading... Cookbooks!

Originally Posted by BetteDavisEyes

We didn't go in thinking we were going to steal the legacy from another chapter but we didn't discourage them either from coming to our side.

That was our feeling, too. I can think of two women in my chapter who went on to be outstanding sisters, one of whom was a Tri-Delta in-house legacy, the other Tri-Sigma.

And of course, there were ADPi legacies who chose another house, too. Right, KillarneyRose?!?!?!

[AGDAlum]

Originally Posted by honeychile

Must... Quit... Reading... Cookbooks!

Yes. I thought, "Do you serve them on toast?"