why join? (sure already asked)

[UGAalum94]

DGdramadawg,

I think some chapters are all white because very few people who are anything other than white come through formal rush; the chapters make quota, stay over total and never do COB or COR (which probably covers about ten or twelve of the 18 sororities at UGA which actually are fairly diverse in every other respect other than African-American members).

Other sororities might do COB or COR or if they're fraternities do informal rush but don't end up
with much diversity in the group of people who attend their events and want to join.

It's not that I think that having all-white membership necessarily means the group discriminated against again non-whites. Non-whites may never have been interested in joining and put themselves in the running to join.

(No one would fault a NPHC group for being all Black if no one who wasn't Black showed up at the interest meeting. You've got to put yourself in the running.)

However, if you're going to jump in a thread and say, yes it will matter at some chapters that you are Asian, but it's not that those chapters discriminate by race or ethnicity, I'm going to find a that little suspicious. And it seems to me that's what happened here.

And, honestly, I do think that, particularly with fraternities and I'm not sure why it seems that way, there are some chapters that are pretty much all white because they've got a critical mass of racist members who keep anyone who is non-white from every getting a bid.

Macallan25 and I have argued about this before, and I really don't want to get that cranked up again, which is why I was sort of surprised to see him post his comment.

By the way, I think his comment was correct; there are actually chapters that will regard the OP differently as an Asian than if he had all the same credentials but was White. But I'd actually call them on having prejudiced members, and Macallan will let them off the hook.

[dgdramadawg]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

However, if you're going to jump in a thread and say, yes it will matter at some chapters that you are Asian, but it's not that those chapters discriminate by race or ethnicity, I'm going to find a that little suspicious. And it seems to me that's what happened here.

What I've been trying to say is that some chapters discriminate, and to those chapters it will matter. To the ones who don't discriminate, it won't. I thought that was what Macallan was saying, but maybe I misread him?

And I totally agree with what you're saying about how the racist chapters stay racist. It's disgusting, isn't it?

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by dgdramadawg

What I've been trying to say is that some chapters discriminate, and to those chapters it will matter. To the ones who don't discriminate, it won't. I thought that was what Macallan was saying, but maybe I misread him?

And I totally agree with what you're saying about how the racist chapters stay racist. It's disgusting, isn't it?

No, that is what I was trying to say.

[dgdramadawg]

Originally Posted by macallan25

No, that is what I was trying to say.

Fabulous. Now I think we all understand each other.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

DGdramadawg,

I think some chapters are all white because very few people who are anything other than white come through formal rush; the chapters make quota, stay over total and never do COB or COR (which probably covers about ten or twelve of the 18 sororities at UGA which actually are fairly diverse in every other respect other than African-American members).

Other sororities might do COB or COR or if they're fraternities do informal rush but don't end up
with much diversity in the group of people who attend their events and want to join.

It's not that I think that having all-white membership necessarily means the group discriminated against again non-whites. Non-whites may never have been interested in joining and put themselves in the running to join.

(No one would fault a NPHC group for being all Black if no one who wasn't Black showed up at the interest meeting. You've got to put yourself in the running.)

However, if you're going to jump in a thread and say, yes it will matter at some chapters that you are Asian, but it's not that those chapters discriminate by race or ethnicity, I'm going to find a that little suspicious. And it seems to me that's what happened here.

And, honestly, I do think that, particularly with fraternities and I'm not sure why it seems that way, there are some chapters that are pretty much all white because they've got a critical mass of racist members who keep anyone who is non-white from every getting a bid.

Macallan25 and I have argued about this before, and I really don't want to get that cranked up again, which is why I was sort of surprised to see him post his comment.

By the way, I think his comment was correct; there are actually chapters that will regard the OP differently as an Asian than if he had all the same credentials but was White. But I'd actually call them on having prejudiced members, and Macallan will let them off the hook.

This is what I thought you were trying to say........that all-white chapters should be labeled as discriminatory.........which is not fair in the least.

Other than that, I don't know why my comments would surprise you. It is a fact that there are many chapters whose membership is reserved for a very specific demographic. If you don't fit it, chances are you aren't getting a bid.

[BlueNYC2]

I didnt join to make friends. i had plenty b4 i joined. i joined cuz i wanted to be part of an organization making a difference in the community, and to be around a bunch of educated brothers who had the same goals in mind. i dont even really party with my Frat brothers or sorors like that. i still party wit my pplz from hs & college waaaaaaaaaaaaay more. and i guess also to network with successful brothers.

[yangstar]

How about we clear this up real quickly. I'm Asian. I'm a part of SigEp, the largest fraternity in America as far as undergrads go, and yes it is an IFC fraternity. Is that a problem? Not at all, there are quite a few Asians in my chapter, and in the other IFC fraternities on campus. Then again UCSD is 50% Asian so go figure. Are the Asian fraternities worth looking into as well? Hell yea, those are some really cool brothers as well.

As for the rush process, it is the same as any other place where you're going to be interviewed.
Is it true that America, the greatest country in the world is comprised and was built upon its diversity? Yes.
Did America endure a period of slavery and extreme bigotry? Yes.
Is America still racist today? Sadly yes.

That's how it goes. I wish I could say that America is prejudice free, but of course it isn't.

So back to the OP's question of being Asian affecting his rush process, or swearing upon the Bible. It MIGHT affect you, but in reality it really shouldn't. You should join the fraternity that you feel the most welcomed and most comfortable in. Then you'll be with the brothers that truly respect you the most. Best of luck to ya.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by BlueNYC2

I didnt join to make friends. i had plenty b4 i joined. i joined cuz i wanted to be part of an organization making a difference in the community, and to be around a bunch of educated brothers who had the same goals in mind. i dont even really party with my Frat brothers or sorors like that. i still party wit my pplz from hs & college waaaaaaaaaaaaay more. and i guess also to network with successful brothers.

That's cute.