Retro Recruitment

[susan314]

Originally Posted by tld221

i STILL find this weird that this is asked during rush. that is such a tacky way to find out if a PNM comes from money (which really isnt any org's business). and what if the PNM:

a. has an MIA father/in a house where the mom brings home the bread
b. is unemployed/does something "undesirable"
c. has 2 moms (hey who knows)

i mean, would my chances be lesser if i was like "well my father isn't in my house... and btw he's a construction worker. but my mom works for a bank?"

i jus think its really tacky to ask something like that. i would seriously have to ask the active "why is that important?" have any PNMs been embarassed by that or am i making a big deal for nothing? if so, i can swallow it and jus accept it as the NPC way.

I don't understand why the question is asked either - as you might remember, I declined an invitation to a house after Phase A for being asked the same question.

Generally being an optimist and wanting to believe the best in people...I'd like to think that such a question being asked is more a mistake by an inexperienced rusher than anything that a chapter would deliberately want asked. Perhaps she felt at a loss for conversation, was trying to make small talk, and happened to ask a "bad" question without any real malice intended?

I definitely don't think it is a commonplace amongst all organizations on all campuses...if anything, usually we're cautioned against discussing all the Bs (booze, boys, bank and/or bucks, etc.) I suppose there may be an individual chapter on an individual campus here or there that really does care, but on a national level I don't think its a generally accepted question to be asked?


P.S. One of my chapter sisters/roommates in the house had 2 moms. (Well, she had a mom and dad who were divorced, and 2 step-moms - one via her mom and one via her dad.)

[tld221]

Originally Posted by susan314

I don't understand why the question is asked either - as you might remember, I declined an invitation to a house after Phase A for being asked the same question.

Generally being an optimist and wanting to believe the best in people...I'd like to think that such a question being asked is more a mistake by an inexperienced rusher than anything that a chapter would deliberately want asked. Perhaps she felt at a loss for conversation, was trying to make small talk, and happened to ask a "bad" question without any real malice intended?

I definitely don't think it is a commonplace amongst all organizations on all campuses...if anything, usually we're cautioned against discussing all the Bs (booze, boys, bank and/or bucks, etc.) I suppose there may be an individual chapter on an individual campus here or there that really does care, but on a national level I don't think its a generally accepted question to be asked?


P.S. One of my chapter sisters/roommates in the house had 2 moms. (Well, she had a mom and dad who were divorced, and 2 step-moms - one via her mom and one via her dad.)

i only bring this up cause ive seen this in many of recruitment and other threads in the GL forum, the whole "what does your dad do?" thing. i thought that reflected poorly on the organization that asked it.

im sure its not common on all campuses and all orgs, but i've seen it mentioned enough on GC to wonder WTF is up with that? I would just fall out of my chair if someone asked me that with a straight face during a rush.

[susan314]

Originally Posted by tld221

i only bring this up cause ive seen this in many of recruitment and other threads in the GL forum, the whole "what does your dad do?" thing. i thought that reflected poorly on the organization that asked it.

You won't get any arguments from me on that one!

If nothing else, being asked that question gives the PNM something to consider about that chapter - does she think it was just a nervous question by an inexperienced rusher? Or does she feel like the answer to that question is important to that chapter? At least then, a PNM can use that info to her advantage when deciding how she feels about that house.

[dgdramadawg]

Originally Posted by tld221

i only bring this up cause ive seen this in many of recruitment and other threads in the GL forum, the whole "what does your dad do?" thing. i thought that reflected poorly on the organization that asked it.

I think it reflects poorly on the rusher rather than the org. One of my friends from high school pledged Roxie Hart (she will actually come up later in the story) and she would NEVER ask this kind of question... it had nothing to do with that org and everything to do with the girl who asked the question. Some people might consider this a "getting to know you" type of question, but I was always taught never to ask the question because of the very problems that you indicated! There will always be girls who don't think through the questions they ask...

Oh, and sidenote on this: I know someone who pledged one of the most competitive chapters at UGA and told everyone who asked during recruitment that her dad was in waste management. So I would bet that the answer doesn't matter, going back to my guess that it's not the org that's asking, but the rusher.

[violetpretty]

I think it depends on how that comment fits into the picture of the chapter that you've already constructed. For example, if you hear a lot of tent talk that the chapter is very elitist/competitive/rich etc. then I would think it would reflect more on the chapter (but hopefully not on the national). But if it seemed inconsistent with other things you've heard, then I think it would just reflect on the active.

[dgdramadawg]

I just got back after getting my invites for round two. We can be invited to up to 12 chapters. During this round I will be going back to:
Magnolia Hawkins
Janet Weiss
Dolly Levi
Babe Williams
Margo Channing
Annie Oakley
Reno Sweeney
Kate Monster
Cora Hooper

I am a little bummed that I only got invited to 9 houses out of the possible 12, but on the plus side I am going back to five of the seven houses that I really liked during round one! I really don't like a couple of the houses I am going back to but I am willing to give everyone a second try... how well can I really know a house after 20 minutes in round one?!?

[violetpretty]

That's pretty good for UGA! And you still have Janet Weiss and Dolly Levi!

[SoCalGirl]

Originally Posted by dgdramadawg

Oh, and sidenote on this: I know someone who pledged one of the most competitive chapters at UGA and told everyone who asked during recruitment that her dad was in waste management. So I would bet that the answer doesn't matter, going back to my guess that it's not the org that's asking, but the rusher.

Maybe they were worried what her daddy would do if they didn't take his little Meadow Soprano!

[dgdramadawg]

(Round two was actually two days long, but I didn't divide them in my notes into the two days and I certainly don't remember anymore, so I am going to go ahead and pretend both days of round two have passed.)

MARGO CHANNING: This was my first house of the day and I love it! I met two girls named Ellie and Nat and they were so awesome and talkative... really easy to talk to, like old friends. They did a Grease skit that was really cute and everyone seemed nice like they did in round one, really genuine. I definitely feel like I fit in with the girls I met today.

RENO SWEENEY: Truth be told, I didn't really want to come back here, but I am glad I did because they seemed a lot less intimidating today. Their skit had lots of inside jokes, but they all seemed in on it so it seemed like they had a cool sisterhood. I don't know that this house is one that I can "see" myself in, but I wouldn't mind going back to meet more people and get to know them better.

JANET WEISS: Their skit was kind of strange... it didn't make very much sense. Maybe if I end up here I can write them a script next year. I didn't see the girl I talked to yesterday and I didn't really "connect" with anyone I spoke with today. The girls on my hall say this is a "good house."

BABE WILLIAMS: They did a funny Alice in Wonderland skit and everyone seemed so sweet again! I really like them.

DOLLY LEVI: Their skit was outside and it was hard to hear, but they served great food, so that made up for it! I got to talk to one of the same girls from before. I don't feel quite as "at home" here as I do at Margo Channing or Babe Williams, but I like it.

KATE MONSTER: They did a pageant skit, which was cute. I just feel awkward here. One of my friends from high school has a sister who is in the chapter and it is her first choice. I can see why she likes it, but I just don't feel like I fit in.

CORA HOOPER: One girl talked to three of us again. Their skit was kind of funny, but the conversation was so awkward afterward. I don't think I could pledge here.

MAGNOLIA HAWKINS: This one was not as great as Margo Channing today but it is still a close second! They did a Grease skit, too... I wonder if it is a sign that my top two houses did Broadway skits?!? I didn't get to talk to the same girls, but the new ones were just as nice. I could see myself here.

ANNIE OAKLEY: A lot of girls in my rush group got cut here and they were really upset. The girls on my hall all thought it was so cool that I got asked back here, so I feel like I am supposed to love it here, but I just don't see anything that stands out about this group. They had inside jokes in the skit and the girl sitting with me kept having to explain them to me, but only some of the sisters laughed at them (unlike the jokes in the Reno Sweeney skit). I think I would have to change a lot about myself to be happy here.

At this point, I think I have three groups of houses: the ones I could definitely see myself pledging (Margo, Magnolia, and Babe), the ones I really want to get to know better (Dolly, Reno, and Janet), and the ones I definitely can't see myself in (Annie, Kate, and Cora). For round three I can attend up to six parties. I am very nervous about what my party schedule will look like for round three after all the cuts after round one.
ROUND TWO RANKINGS:
1. Margo Channing
2. Magnolia Hawkins
3. Babe Williams
4. Dolly Levi
5. Reno Sweeney
6. Janet Weiss
7. Annie Oakley
8. Kate Monster
9. Cora Hooper

[Denise_DPhiE]

Originally Posted by dgdramadawg

Oh, and sidenote on this: I know someone who pledged one of the most competitive chapters at UGA and told everyone who asked during recruitment that her dad was in waste management. So I would bet that the answer doesn't matter, going back to my guess that it's not the org that's asking, but the rusher.

Um, I am retty sure that is a Sopranos joke, right? They were afraid Tony might come after them? Anyhow, loving the thread!

[dgdramadawg]

Originally Posted by Denise_DPhiE

Um, I am retty sure that is a Sopranos joke, right? They were afraid Tony might come after them? Anyhow, loving the thread!

She pledged before the Sopranos was ever on TV, but I love that everyone is making this connection!

[PhoenixAzul]

when I was a PX, I advised my girls to answer the "who did you get invited to" question with,

"i got invites from a few chapters that I'm really interested in, I haven't made up my mind, I'm trying to get a feel of where I'll fit best. I'm very glad to have been invited to your (insert round name here) party, though!"

Unfortunately, chapters at Otterbein DO ask, and always ask, and I still think it is not quite right to do so.

[FSUZeta]

phoenix, you are such a good recruitment counselor!! your suggested response is very good.