Conclusion- "women are dumb"....

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by PKTSU01

Got your attention? Good...

This thought has been reoccuring for weeks now, more so in the past week where....I've had a girl I know become pregnant by a guy who "loves" her, although he seems to forget where she now lives...and...had a fraternity brother cheated on by his g/f twice in the last 3 months, and just found out about both. He's the nicest guy anyone will ever meet, and got completeley fucked with emotionally and mentally, he's a damn wreck.

We've all discussed this on this site before, to some extent. Normally, when ladies make no sense to us gentlemen, the ladies of GC clarify answer our inquiry of "why are girls so stupid sometimes?" with "oh, she just has bad judgment" or" she's not worth the effort." I tried to give it all the benefit of the doubt, assuming that it was just bad luck that my buds have been running across these "poor judgment" girls. Then I realized....an overwhelming MAJORITY of women I've met are..in no particular order...
indecisive, overemotional, illogical, in condensed terms...

totally free of rational thought, especially when it invloves admitting to themselves that they actually a) love someone or b) have someone that loves them. Love seems to be what women search for, the whole knight in shining armor deal. Then, when he comes along, he's not asshole enough to spark her interest. No thrill of the hunt, no challenge, she's not interested. Leaving the nice guy alone wondering where he went wrong.

The overall question here is this, posed by a comment my friend Kirsten made "If a guy wants a girl, he has to be a dick, make it seem like he doesn't care, THEN he has to be nice, cause that's what a girl really wants."

Is this the extent of it ladies? No point in being nice till after we've acted out and played the little game of hard to get?

Now, I've seen this, played this game, gotten the girl before, but when I sit and actually think about it, and if this is the truth, there is absolutley VERY LITTLE reason to try and be a gentleman, seeing as the majority of women will ignore that and think you a loser for being nice. Does that make ANY sense?

For some reason, as discussed in a previous post, this mindframe seems to dissapate after a woman nears or hits 30. So, is that it? Don't try to make sense of a woman who won't make sense until she's 30?

Of course, these generalizations don't speak for everyone but, it seems to be way more than just coincidental.

Again, I'll clarify, NOT all women, there are some sweeties out there, not all hope is lost, but quite a few, especially in the age range of 20-25,26. I know it might be just a maturity issue, but, it would be interesting to hear different takes on this.

Man, this thread is an oldie but a goodie. I'm bumpin' it. I agree with all of the above. I couldn't have said it any better. Back in the day I was blind to all of this, but if she's stupid and immature, I can see it coming a mile away. I just look for old fashioned values. It was unheard of 5 to 6 generations ago that women wanted to be with a dick. They wanted a gentleman back then. I agree with you. Now, today a woman wants an idiot, who doesn't care anything about her. The crazy thing about it is she says, "Oh, I think I can change him." Please. Ya gotta let a dick be a dick. Point blank.

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

Now, today a woman wants an idiot, who doesn't care anything about her.

Do I really?


I want someone who will treat me right and stay faithful--that's the type of girlfriend that I am and I expect it back. But, in college, that's almost too much to ask--what is a college student, but a high school student a year or two removed? Maybe I'll find a healthier, more mature relationship in grad school, but on the same token, what is a graduate student but a college student plus a few months (at least that's true in my case)? I say age does not equal maturity, experience does. With age comes experience, but it's not the whole sha-bang.

[CutiePie2000]

I just wanted to point out that this thread originated in 2002, lay dormant for a while and has now been recently bumped.

KTHXBYE.

[James]

Experience does not bring maturity. Thats a myth. And a dangerous one.

Originally Posted by christiangirl

Do I really?


I want someone who will treat me right and stay faithful--that's the type of girlfriend that I am and I expect it back. But, in college, that's almost too much to ask--what is a college student, but a high school student a year or two removed? Maybe I'll find a healthier, more mature relationship in grad school, but on the same token, what is a graduate student but a college student plus a few months (at least that's true in my case)? I say age does not equal maturity, experience does. With age comes experience, but it's not the whole sha-bang.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by James

Experience does not bring maturity. Thats a myth. And a dangerous one.

church and tabernacle on that!

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by James

Experience does not bring maturity. Thats a myth. And a dangerous one.

Touche--I thought about that after I posted. But I think it's more plausible than "age brings maturity." That's an even more dangerous one.

[CutiePie2000]

Originally Posted by James

Experience does not bring maturity.

One of my favorite quotes is:
"Judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement. " - Simon Bolivar

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by James

Experience does not bring maturity. Thats a myth. And a dangerous one.

Exactly - the "I'm in my 30s/40s/50s/etc. and am now more knowledgable" bugs me. I have seen 22 year olds make very mature decisions with their relationships, and people in their 30s and 40s make horrible relationship decisions. Age just doesn't have so much to do with it.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

Man, this thread is an oldie but a goodie. I'm bumpin' it. I agree with all of the above. I couldn't have said it any better. Back in the day I was blind to all of this, but if she's stupid and immature, I can see it coming a mile away. I just look for old fashioned values. It was unheard of 5 to 6 generations ago that women wanted to be with a dick. They wanted a gentleman back then. I agree with you. Now, today a woman wants an idiot, who doesn't care anything about her. The crazy thing about it is she says, "Oh, I think I can change him." Please. Ya gotta let a dick be a dick. Point blank.

I agree and disagree with you PB.

No, I can't change a guy. A guy has to want to change himself 1st. I totally wouldn't try and change a guy, because I wouldn't find interest in him in the 1st place if I feel he's someone that I would have to try and change.

I've always wanted a faithful old fashioned guy who has the same moral values that I have. Ya know, a guy that would put me 1st like I would him, not someone that doesn't care anything about me. I've never cheated and I never will. I like the old fashioned, faithful, true gentleman. Kinda reminds me of someone.

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

Man, this thread is an oldie but a goodie. I'm bumpin' it. I agree with all of the above. I couldn't have said it any better. Back in the day I was blind to all of this, but if she's stupid and immature, I can see it coming a mile away. I just look for old fashioned values. It was unheard of 5 to 6 generations ago that women wanted to be with a dick. They wanted a gentleman back then. I agree with you. Now, today a woman wants an idiot, who doesn't care anything about her. The crazy thing about it is she says, "Oh, I think I can change him." Please. Ya gotta let a dick be a dick. Point blank.

Well thank the lord that you're around to tell us what we want out of relationships. Just today I was sitting here going, 'I really need to find an asshole for my next boyfriend.' Then you came along and now I am saved from the trauma! I'm so glad you're here to help out the helpless weak women of the world.

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by centaur532

Well thank the lord that you're around to tell us what we want out of relationships. Just today I was sitting here going, 'I really need to find an asshole for my next boyfriend.' Then you came along and now I am saved from the trauma! I'm so glad you're here to help out the helpless weak women of the world.

I can't even say anything. He totally had that coming.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by centaur532

Well thank the lord that you're around to tell us what we want out of relationships. Just today I was sitting here going, 'I really need to find an asshole for my next boyfriend.' Then you came along and now I am saved from the trauma! I'm so glad you're here to help out the helpless weak women of the world.

lol

Poor PB.

[PrettyBoy]

That's cool.

centaur, cheerfulgreek and christiangirl you ladies have your own opinions and you're entitled to them. Of course, I don't think all women like bad boys, but I do believe a lot of them do. I just agree with the OP that's all.

Based on christiangirl's posts she doesn't seem to like bad boys and I know cheerfulgreek isn't into bad boys, so again I'm not saying all women.

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

That's cool.

centaur, cheerfulgreek and christiangirl you ladies have your own opinions and you're entitled to them. Of course, I don't think all women like bad boys, but I do believe a lot of them do. I just agree with the OP that's all.

Based on christiangirl's posts she doesn't seem to like bad boys and I know cheerfulgreek isn't into bad boys, so again I'm not saying all women.

Lol, I think the baddest boy I'd ever consider dating would be Mr. "Order me a winky dinky dog." (yes, I'm still laughing about that PB)

I see your point, though. A lot of girls at my school are like that, but that many more are not. On the contrary, I like a man who can respectfully hold his own. I HATE PUSHOVERS. Lol, if I ever told my husband to leave the comfort of his own bedroom that he pays half the mortgage for and go sleep on the couch and he ACTUALLY DID IT, I'd completely lose respect for him. My ex was such a yes-man, that we ended up fighting about it. I found myself screaming, "FIGHT WITH ME! TELL ME NO! SAY I'M WRONG! SOMETHING!!!" When I finally pissed him off and he argued back, it was the sexiest I'd ever seen him (and that's saying alot, old boy was uglier than Shrek). I have a very forceful personality and am the type who steps over the line every so often. I want a man who will check me on it, because I'd check him in a heartbeat if he crossed the line with me. So no, I don't want an idiot who treats me badly. But if treating me like a queen means being a doormat, then I'll walk straight over him and onto the next guy.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

Lol, I think the baddest boy I'd ever consider dating would be Mr. "Order me a winky dinky dog." (yes, I'm still laughing about that PB)

I see your point, though. A lot of girls at my school are like that, but that many more are not. On the contrary, I like a man who can respectfully hold his own. I HATE PUSHOVERS. Lol, if I ever told my husband to leave the comfort of his own bedroom that he pays half the mortgage for and go sleep on the couch and he ACTUALLY DID IT, I'd completely lose respect for him. My ex was such a yes-man, that we ended up fighting about it. I found myself screaming, "FIGHT WITH ME! TELL ME NO! SAY I'M WRONG! SOMETHING!!!" When I finally pissed him off and he argued back, it was the sexiest I'd ever seen him (and that's saying alot, old boy was uglier than Shrek). I have a very forceful personality and am the type who steps over the line every so often. I want a man who will check me on it, because I'd check him in a heartbeat if he crossed the line with me. So no, I don't want an idiot who treats me badly. But if treating me like a queen means being a doormat, then I'll walk straight over him and onto the next guy.

Boy, is he going to have a mouthful to say about this one.

I can hear him now.