White men in NPHC

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by L.O.C.K.

Aiya, this thread has gotten out of hand.

How?

Do you people exist in worlds where people don't talk about this stuff?

NOT talking about this stuff is the problem. That's when it's so invisible that these issues can persist without any challenge to the status quo.

Originally Posted by L.O.C.K.

Who cares what race someone is? I've seen people who are not of "X" race care more about causes that help "X" race than poeple of "X" race.

What's the significance of this?

And who cares what race someone is? You do. I do. We all do.

People just care in different ways and with different outcomes.

Originally Posted by L.O.C.K.

It's about what's in your heart, not whats on your skin.

The reality is that it's about what's on your skin and in your heart. Both shape our perceptions and interactions in both positive and negative ways.

The problem with some of you is that you think that the opposite of bigotry is to completely ignore ANY constructed differences across groups of people. That's completely unnecessary because it feeds the system of inequality, not fights it. Not to mention I consider it a comical spectacle.

Originally Posted by L.O.C.K.

I am one of the WASPiest people you will ever meet, yet I am in an Asian American Fraternity and all of my friends are Black/Asian/Latino/a. Just because I was born with White skin doesn't meet I can't strive for things that advance Blacks, Asians, or Latino/as.

So you do care what race someone is. At least enough to keep a record of what type of org you're in and who your friends are.

Trust that your white skin still gets you places where their Black, Asian, and Latino/a skin doesn't. If you want to speak out against something, speak out against that.

Originally Posted by L.O.C.K.

If we judge people only on their skin, how are we any better than the KKK or other racist ass groups?

Huh?

You probably also believe that racism is about Archie Bunker-esque people and Klan costumes.

You and your post support why this discussion is needed. Everyday.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

The problem with some of you is that you think that the opposite of bigotry is to completely ignore ANY constructed differences across groups of people. That's completely unnecessary because it feeds the system of inequality, not fights it. Not to mention I consider it a comical spectacle.

Chaos - this is what I was trying to get at. You made it much more clear than I did.

[AOII Angel]

I think everyone likes to believe that they would accept anyone of any race into their group. The truth of the matter is, you accept anyone of any race who acts like your group into your group. A typical, white bread girl wouldn't join a NPHC group because in the end she'd likely have little in common even if she believed in the goals of the group. The same for the typical NPHC woman. African american women in NPC groups obviously feel comfortable in a white environment....we may all have african american sisters, but they are still a minority. I'm sure white women who grew up with african american friends in african american culture may feel more comfortable in an NPHC sorority. I see nothing wrong with wanting sisters who have your same goals, morals, culture, etc. It's human nature to want to be around those most like you. It doesn't have to mean your racist. That being said, I'd gladly welcome a sister of any race into AOII.

[Sugar08]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

The truth of the matter is, you accept anyone of any race who acts like your group into your group. A typical, white bread girl wouldn't join a NPHC group because in the end she'd likely have little in common even if she believed in the goals of the group.

I disagree. I believe that we look for women who are comfortable with themselves and their surroundings. If, what you call a "typical, white bread girl" is comfortable around women of color, and doesn't let herself get bullied into feeling like she doesn't belong, she'll be fine. However, that's not the case usually.

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

The same for the typical NPHC woman.

There is no such thing.

But this is the fraternity recruitment forum...

[TheEpitome1920]

Can someone summarize this for me? lol.

Get in where you fit in.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Sugar08

I disagree. I believe that we look for women who are comfortable with themselves and their surroundings. If, what you call a "typical, white bread girl" is comfortable around women of color, and doesn't let herself get bullied into feeling like she doesn't belong, she'll be fine. However, that's not the case usually.



There is no such thing.

But this is the fraternity recruitment forum...

I don't think it has to all be on the rushee. The organization is what it is. You may feel comfortable with members of another race, but the goals, ideals, format of the organization may not mesh with the individual. That's okay. That's why we have so many types of organizations around to fit the individual. Being comfortable with who you are and those around you is why most women have close friends like themselves. I personally feel very comfortable around women of color having gone to a predominantly african american high school and having worked extensively with african american men and women in my line of work as well as treating predominantly african american patients in my hospital. That being said, on a cultural level I am much different than my african american friends. I don't think I'd personally feel as comfortable in an NPHC group as in my own group. Culturally we are different. We have very different ideas on how a sorority should operate,etc. But...that's me. I think this is what most people are trying to say when they object to white people in NPHC groups. It's okay if you want to be there, but for most people they'd want to know the specific reasons behind the member's decision to join a group of a different culture. And what I meant by a "typical wheat bread sorority girl" is that the average NPC sorority member is caucasian, raised in a caucasian community with limited exposure to african american culture. This girl isn't going to join a group of another culture because she knows nothing about it. I don't think you can argue that, it's human nature.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

And what I meant by a "typical wheat bread sorority girl" is that the average NPC sorority member is caucasian, raised in a caucasian community with limited exposure to african american culture.

Maybe at your school, but certainly not at mine.

[mulattogyrl]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

The same for the typical NPHC woman.

There aren't any 'typical' NPHC women. We're all very different. Having similar colored skin doesn't make us anything alike. Believe me, lol. What we do have in common are education & the goals of our orgs.

[Sugar08]

Originally Posted by mulattogyrl

There aren't any 'typical' NPHC women. We're all very different. Having similar colored skin doesn't make us anything alike. Believe me, lol. What we do have in common are education & the goals of our orgs.

Well said, sistergreek.

[DSTCHAOS]

Sure, we're all different but some generalizations that aren't stereotyping can be made. For instance, Delta's national website breaks down some demographics from which someone could somewhat accurately deduce a "typical Delta."

So many of us have education, goals of our orgs, and things like occupations and region of initiation/activity in common.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Sure, we're all different but some generalizations that aren't stereotyping can be made. For instance, Delta's national website breaks down some demographics from which someone could somewhat accurately deduce a "typical Delta."

So many of us have education, goals of our orgs, and things like occupations and region of initiation/activity in common.

So, what are you saying?

If you Black or white one has to join a certain GLO?

If your religious prefrence is different one can only join a certain GLO?

Of course we are all different but some seem to have a more racist idea of who can join or not!

So, where does that leave us? Oh, US as You and I and many others!