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Old 05-18-2007, 03:33 PM
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I am amazed how many people think they can live on $21.00 a week for food.

I am single and pinch pennies when buying food.

Try owning a smal business and not making much out of it.

If you own a business, you cannot get on food stamps/now vision cards and amazing how many people ahve them and try to buy not approved food items!

Or "Mothers Day" when welfare checks come out and they drive up to one of the infamous liquor stores in their Cadillacs to buy booze and cash them!

Kevin, YOU are a disgrace to man kind for coming from a Mid USA State going to a State School and working to get through and graduating and then going to Law School! How can you be so crass?

Oh, Vision cards will not work in ATMs as I have had some try and get made at me!
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Old 05-18-2007, 03:38 PM
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I am amazed how many people think they can live on $21.00 a week for food.

I am single and pinch pennies when buying food.

Try owning a smal business and not making much out of it.

If you own a business, you cannot get on food stamps/now vision cards and amazing how many people ahve them and try to buy not approved food items!

Or "Mothers Day" when welfare checks come out and they drive up to one of the infamous liquor stores in their Cadillacs to buy booze and cash them!

Kevin, YOU are a disgrace to man kind for coming from a Mid USA State going to a State School and working to get through and graduating and then going to Law School! How can you be so crass?

Oh, Vision cards will not work in ATMs as I have had some try and get made at me!
And some of those people that own thier businesses have a helluva time paying for insurance....if they have insurance
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Old 05-18-2007, 03:46 PM
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Or "Mothers Day" when welfare checks come out and they drive up to one of the infamous liquor stores in their Cadillacs to buy booze and cash them!

Kevin, YOU are a disgrace to man kind for coming from a Mid USA State going to a State School and working to get through and graduating and then going to Law School! How can you be so crass?
oh dear lord. i won't even get started on the terms you choose to use.

however, tom, i come from a mid usa state and went to a state school, in addition to working the midnight shift all four years while double majoring. oh yah. i've since gone on to get a masters and start work on my phd. i have funded everything on my own through loans and work. but that is NOTHING SPECIAL. i'm still a lucky bastard for the opportunities i've been afforded in my life. not everybody is that lucky. but situation and circumstance don't excuse you from caring or being firmly grounded in reality.

i'm sincere when i say that pinching pennies while food shopping sucks and i fully empathize with you. but then you could always take kevin's earlier advice and get a different job... but i don't think that fixes a SOCIETAL issue.

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Old 05-18-2007, 03:53 PM
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on a side note, i just wanna throw it out there that i usually don't post a whole lot on GC in general, let alone a single thread. but i'm REALLY passionate about the topics of eating patterns and obesity and particularly how environment and situation effect them. i'm not trying to rant or pick on anybody. really. its just hard to spend my time studying and researching these phenomenon and have uninformed people saying *what i personally perceive to be* cruel and ignorant things.

i apologize if anybody is offended but that's just how it is.

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Old 05-18-2007, 03:58 PM
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@ squirrely...

there is an article on CNN's blogspot about how childhood obesity is being blamed on WOMEN, and the fact that we are working now and not staying home with the kids...very interesting...

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/blogs/pagi...ity-among.html
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Old 05-18-2007, 11:31 PM
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Just to clarify - when I made my comment above about people not knowing how to maximize their grocery shopping, I think it goes across all income levels. I'm not trying to say that "people on food stamps just need to learn how to shop better" by any means. Most people could learn to shop better...I used to spend $700 a month to get essentially the same stuff I now get for $300. We weren't in dire need of getting our grocery spending down, but honestly...why give that extra $400 to the grocery store when it could stay in our pockets instead?

(An added perk is that by learning how to manage my grocery spending, I'm able to pick up extra on some of the great deals and donate it. There are many organizations always in need of personal hygiene products, etc. By maximizing the money I spend, I'm also able to maximize the volume of stuff I can donate. )

I definitely understand that not everyone is able to just "get another job." (Yes, I think there are people who abuse the system and that irks me. But I don't think its the majority of people.) For those of you who think otherwise, I'd highly recommend reading the book "Nickled and Dimed" if you haven't already. Even if you don't completely agree with the author's premise, it will get you thinking about issues in a whole new light.
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Old 05-19-2007, 08:50 AM
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Just to clarify - when I made my comment above about people not knowing how to maximize their grocery shopping, I think it goes across all income levels. I'm not trying to say that "people on food stamps just need to learn how to shop better" by any means. Most people could learn to shop better...I used to spend $700 a month to get essentially the same stuff I now get for $300. We weren't in dire need of getting our grocery spending down, but honestly...why give that extra $400 to the grocery store when it could stay in our pockets instead?

(An added perk is that by learning how to manage my grocery spending, I'm able to pick up extra on some of the great deals and donate it. There are many organizations always in need of personal hygiene products, etc. By maximizing the money I spend, I'm also able to maximize the volume of stuff I can donate. )

I definitely understand that not everyone is able to just "get another job." (Yes, I think there are people who abuse the system and that irks me. But I don't think its the majority of people.) For those of you who think otherwise, I'd highly recommend reading the book "Nickled and Dimed" if you haven't already. Even if you don't completely agree with the author's premise, it will get you thinking about issues in a whole new light.
You need to start a "Susan's spend less at the grocery store tip of the week" thread.
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Old 05-19-2007, 02:44 PM
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You need to start a "Susan's spend less at the grocery store tip of the week" thread.
Well, the first tip I will offer is that grocery stores tend to run their sales in cycles...approximately 12 week cycles, give or take.

The critical mistake that many people make is replacing something as they run out of it, and quite often getting stuck paying full price because they run out when there's no sale on that particular item. With proper planning, you can arrange your grocery shopping so that you never pay full price for an item.

(Except, of course milk and fresh produce which need to be replenished each week. But if you're saving money on all the items which you can stock up on, it doesn't hurt the pocketbook quite as much to splurge on those fresh items.)

There is actually a website that tracks grocery store sales and puts out a weekly list for each store. Highlighted on the list are items which are at their rock bottom price, so you know which sale items that week are worth stocking up on. It is a subscription based service which costs $5 a month to get your local store's list. Now, a person could certainly track this information on their own, but it would take a lot of time and effort to put that information together. I subscribe to the list because the $5 a month is worth it to me in exchange for not having to spend hours each week reviewing sale ads and tracking the information myself.

It does take me about an extra hour per week to prepare for my shopping trip, but given that I'm saving $400 a month over what I was spending before for essentially the same stuff that extra hour is worth it!

I'll give the link, but I want to make 2 things clear first:

1) I don't get anything for promoting this site. (Yes, if you had my personal e-mail address to enter w/me being your "referral source," I'd get a month free. But, since none of you have my personal e-mail address I get zilch for recommending it.)

2) There is a message board associated with the site that has some very overzealous ladies on it (not all of them are that way, but many are). Some of them do go a little overboard with their stockpiling, etc. I don't tend to frequent that board, but occasionally you can look at it and get some interesting money saving tips. However, I can assure you that you can still save money with the grocery lists without being fanatical about it.

Here's the site - you can get a 4 week trial for $1. http://www.thegrocerygame.com/ I was a little skeptical at first, but figured "what have I got to lose for $1?" As I said, you could piece together this information by faithfully tracking sale ads yourself without the assistance of this site...I chose not to do that, b/c I have neither the time nor the patience. I'd rather let someone else do the dirty work for me.


ETA: Somewhat related to the topic at hand...if you browse the message board, you can see the stories of some single mothers on food stamps who have used that particular system to make a huge difference in their lives. Because, of course, while food stamps help you cover some of your food expenses, they don't cover a lot of the other stuff...cleaning supplies, personal hygeine stuff, etc.

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Old 05-18-2007, 07:00 PM
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No one is starving in America.

21 dollars a week means that they choose to not to supplement their government aid.

A person soliciting donations on a street corner IMO would earn a minimum of a dollar an hour. If they solicit for eight hours a day they would earn an extra eight dollars per day.

So let’s see here. $21.00 + $56.00 = $77.00 for food per week.
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Old 05-18-2007, 07:08 PM
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No one is starving in America.

21 dollars a week means that they choose to not to supplement their government aid.

A person soliciting donations on a street corner IMO would earn a minimum of a dollar an hour. If they solicit for eight hours a day they would earn an extra eight dollars per day.

So let’s see here. $21.00 + $56.00 = $77.00 for food per week.

I DO think there are children who are starving in America, b/c of the bad choices their parents/caregivers have made. Children should be assisted by being removed from the homes of negligent parents who abuse drugs, alcohol and their own children. My sister and her husband ,today in fact, officially adopted TWO children, siblings , 9 and 4 who were in a home just like that. Big day for our whole family!

However, these parents do not deserve one thin dime of the money my family works hard to earn. The parents of THESE children are both in jail for running a meth lab.
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Old 05-18-2007, 07:58 PM
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I agree with both of you and especially kevin.

What is wrong with some of you people? Daemonseid.........why in God's name should I have sympathy for some crack head junkie living off of the street? I would gladly "look them in the eye and tell them to get a job". Sure I would, with pleasure. People like that disgust me.

As far as Katrina victims.........I have told them to get a damn job.....many times. Houston and Austin had a major influx of them......totally ridiculous..........as if Austin needed more homeless people.

....at what point did we stop holding people accountable for their actions? Jesus Christ.......there is absolutely no reason for me or my family to spend our time and hard earned money trying to be a savior to people that are so completely worthless that they don't even have the gumption to go look for work.
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Old 05-18-2007, 10:22 PM
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I agree with both of you and especially kevin.

What is wrong with some of you people? Daemonseid.........why in God's name should I have sympathy for some crack head junkie living off of the street? I would gladly "look them in the eye and tell them to get a job". Sure I would, with pleasure. People like that disgust me.



As far as Katrina victims.........I have told them to get a damn job.....many times. Houston and Austin had a major influx of them......totally ridiculous..........as if Austin needed more homeless people.

....at what point did we stop holding people accountable for their actions? Jesus Christ.......there is absolutely no reason for me or my family to spend our time and hard earned money trying to be a savior to people that are so completely worthless that they don't even have the gumption to go look for work.
mac...it's people with attitudes like yours that disgust me.

that crackhead CAN EASILY be you...whether you like it or not...u have no idea what lead that person to be where they are...


Who are you to judge without first taking that long look in a mirror?

Katrina victims...well hmmm...suddenly displaced?

Kinda hard getting a job when your address IS A FLOODED OUT HOLE IN THE GROUND hmmm?

Hell..the Superdome that was for a month a 3rd world country has been fixed up in less than a years time and the lower wards in New Orleans are STILL after 2 years ghost towns...you want those homeless people out of your area in Texas....here is challenge for you...whatever purpose you serve in your area...get up and take a trip over there with those homeless and help rebuild their communities.

Too much for you?


Oh yeah ...too much like right...


When did we stop holding people acountable....?

Go back to 1939 when the welfare system in this country officially kicked off...since that is what we are discussing in this thread before we digressed to homelessness.

But you know what...we are gonna call it a day on this thread....we have offically agreed to disagree, but just in case you happen to wind up in a living condition much less than what you are used to and forced to get food stamps but you don't wanna be a burden on our government?

...do yourself a favor.

GO GET A JOB !!
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