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05-18-2007, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid
Point: "Go get a job" is not as easy as you make it sounds to get folks off of food stamps.
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Get a job, get an education, get a different job.
If folks are able to come across our borders, find work and make decent livings, why can't Americans work as well? The fact that we say that there is "Work Americans won't do" and that there are out of work Americans is insulting to the taxpayers which fund the laziness of those workers who refuse to do that work that "Americans won't do."
If they can subsist on this minimal $21/week, that's good enough for me. In nearly every case I've seen here, soldiers, etc., the $21/week is supplemental to their other income, so saying they're eating on $21/week is misleading at best.
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05-18-2007, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin
Get a job, get an education, get a different job.
If folks are able to come across our borders, find work and make decent livings, why can't Americans work as well? The fact that we say that there is "Work Americans won't do" and that there are out of work Americans is insulting to the taxpayers which fund the laziness of those workers who refuse to do that work that "Americans won't do."
If they can subsist on this minimal $21/week, that's good enough for me. In nearly every case I've seen here, soldiers, etc., the $21/week is supplemental to their other income, so saying they're eating on $21/week is misleading at best.
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and AVERAGE of 21 dollars a week...either way, these people don't have the means to exist.
And please be mindful a lot of these immigrants (a whole other topic too BTW) work under the table and for what they are getting would make some of them 'kings' as opposed to staying home, but weigh in the other factors...
altho they EARN a decent wage, they have no access to insurance and proper health facilities, they can't LEGALLY open a bank account to save their money and MOST of what they earn goes back home in some cases to help another family member get here legally or even to skimp up enough to get themselves legalized.
I am glad to see the cynicism in the fact that you believe that getting an education will get you a job that will keep you from getting food stamps.
Question, what would you do if you lost your job and home tomorrow and then wound up in a debiliating accident on Monday.....?
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05-18-2007, 02:12 PM
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and AVERAGE of 21 dollars a week...either way, these people don't have the means to exist.
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Which is wrong. These people do exist. They do it on $21/week as a supplement to their other income. Show me ONE person who has starved to death due to welfare not providing enough, then you have a case.
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And please be mindful a lot of these immigrants (a whole other topic too BTW) work under the table and for what they are getting would make some of them 'kings' as opposed to staying home, but weigh in the other factors...
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So? They work. That's my point. That means that there's a demand for labor that lazy Americans are not meeting. The fact that Mexican can find work and that there are able bodied Americans who do not do that work already shows to me that these Americans are lazy.
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altho they EARN a decent wage, they have no access to insurance and proper health facilities, they can't LEGALLY open a bank account to save their money and MOST of what they earn goes back home in some cases to help another family member get here legally or even to skimp up enough to get themselves legalized.
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Actually many banks invite their business. I believe Bank of America has accounts specifically set up for illegals. They make use of our emergency rooms just like all the other uninsured people. I think you exaggerate a wee bit. The point remains that these people work by doing jobs that Americans are too lazy to do.
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I am glad to see the cynicism in the fact that you believe that getting an education will get you a job that will keep you from getting food stamps.
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It will. Do some educated people use food stamps from time to time as a security blanket? Sure. Do they land on their feet aftwerwards? Yep. That is what these programs were designed for -- as a safety net, not a way of life.
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Question, what would you do if you lost your job and home tomorrow and then wound up in a debiliating accident on Monday.....?
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I'm currently a law student. I'm part time right now and work in the day. I'd probably move to a cheaper apartment (maybe on campus), I'd go full time, start drafting some major student loans. The debilitating accident wouldn't be a big deal. I might miss summer school, but in the end, I'd have better parking anyhow
The type of work I'll be doing won't really be physically demanding. If, however, the injuries left me unable to work, I'd qualify for social security and disability benefits, so naturally, I'd apply.
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05-18-2007, 02:15 PM
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Kevin, you're showing your ass.
FYI.
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05-18-2007, 02:24 PM
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[QUOTE=Kevin;1450289]Which is wrong. These people do exist. They do it on $21/week as a supplement to their other income. Show me ONE person who has starved to death due to welfare not providing enough, then you have a case.
Kevin...If I knew you better, I would let you call my mom who has worked with the Dept of Social Services in MD for the past 30 years.....she would show you tons and telll you where they are buried....
I am glad to know that u think u are bullet proof enough to avoid whatever curveball life will throw at you....
the Book of Job can do wonders with people with that attitude.
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