White men in NPHC

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by OOhsoflyDELTA#9

you're taking the thread way off the subject, but why can't you understand that to many of us in the NPHC your events and how your greek life is structured is not appealing to us...we have retreats and formal events also...I can accept that you don't like stepshows..fine...but none of the your events interests me outside of the aforementioned and community service/philanthropy...if there was no NPHC orgs I wouldn't be greek, point blank...calling what we do ridiculous is a bitch move...you probably couldn't learn a step to save your life... I think its crazy to begin rush not knowing what org you're going to end up in, but to each his own....grow up and stop making light of what doesn't interest you and what you don't understand...

Grow up? How about you stop your hypocritical "bitch move" of rant.

Please do me a favor and re-read your dumbass reply again and rethink your thoughts........because you sound like an idiot.

......and arguing about whether or not I could LEARN to do a step is ridiculously pointless over a computer. I bet you can't tie a fly. I bet you can't put fade on a golf ball. Sounds pretty stupid doesn't it?

Thanks for your time

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Personally, IMHO, I find these comments still limiting my freedom to vote who I think should be in my Sorority... Why? It is based on my experiences before and during my nearly 20 years of membership within my Sorority. If you understood the historical prestige of being a member and the fact that they are part of the "Black Bourgiousie", then you can begin to understand the heirarchial structure that these organizations have placed on the mentality that has been perpetuated over generations... The "Talented 10th" and "Our Kind of People".

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Vote for whoever the hell you want, why would my opinion affect you or your organization to such an extent. I can hardly be the first person who's ever said something, I'm sure I won't be the last. Do whatever you want. I'll still post about it in a public forum if you do so

[Laak 315]

this is a great thread

[starang21]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Wow, that is insanely douchebaggish

kind of like how you just got worked up on how wonderful IFC fraternity events were?

[starang21]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

why would my opinion affect you or your organization to such an extent.

you give yourself a lot of credit

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

I have read all 25 pages of this thread. Funny thing is that noone has touched on the bottom line...

WHEN I CAST MY VOTE FOR A CANDIDATE, IT IS BY SECRET BALLOT AND I DON'T HAVE TO JUSTIFY TO ANYONE WHAT I VOTED OR WHY. Period.

Thank you, and good night!

That may well be, and while that is very much any individual's right, to come here and say that after the fact that some NPHC members indicated that they would not vote for a white candidate is quite frankly a cheap shot.

(btw, you're welcome and sleep well)

[blackngoldengrl]

Originally Posted by Reds6

Again the organization doesn't reject members based on skin color, which would account for the number of white members in our organizations. It's hard for a non-BGLO member to comprehend because our purpose and origination are very different. Also if I meet a white Soror I wouldn't treat her differently than I would a member of color. I would however wonder why she made the choice she did.

My question to the group is: if a person is your sister/brother, shouldn't you already KNOW?

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by macallan25

What about our organizations do you find "boring"? Please humor me.

........yeah, too bad we don't line up on stage, yell, and do choreographed ridiculous dances. I guess we are pretty boring....what, with only our formals, bar tabs, philanthropy events, game days, exchanges, rush trips, retreats, parties, etc. etc. etc. to fall back on.

You're totally negative. I don't think I've read a positive post from you yet. So what, if he thinks they're boring. If it doesn't interest him, why does it matter to you? You just want to start an argument just like you do with most people on here.

Personally, I don't have an interest in any sororities outside of NPC sororities, but I don't post negative things about their organizations. macallan25 just let it go and take it for what it is.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by starang21

you give yourself a lot of credit

Her words, not mine. I was expressing my disbelief that they would matter that much, not assuming that they would.

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Personally, IMHO, I find these comments still limiting my freedom to vote who I think should be in my Sorority...

[AKA_Monet]

I said:

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

So, when you say to us "tsk tsk on you D9, you have irresponsible individual members", how do you think that belittling makes us feel?

You said:

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I'm saying tsk tsk individual members, that's biased and disappointing in today's society particularly when it goes against the values of your organization.

Maybe I am missing something? How is that not patronizing and condescending regarding our membership and membership intake processes?

And, are you telling me there is no such thing as racism in "today's society"?

I will be happy to send you the PM I got 2 weeks ago from "Grand Matron" the Klan Ho for Stormfront.org...

You say all this "peace and freedom" crap, and I am not really seeing it these days... Which means we have failed to learn from historical mistakes and we are heading to being a powder keg. Because what I do see, is a lot of suffering of those "haves" that barely look like me, to the "have nots" where more of them look like me.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I said:




You said:



Maybe I am missing something? How is that not patronizing and condescending regarding our membership and membership intake processes?

And, are you telling me there is no such thing as racism in "today's society"?

I will be happy to send you the PM I got 2 weeks ago from "Grand Matron" the Klan Ho for Stormfront.org...

You say all this "peace and freedom" crap, and I am not really seeing it these days... Which means we have failed to learn from historical mistakes and we are heading to being a powder keg. Because what I do see, is a lot of suffering of those "haves" that barely look like me, to the "have nots" where more of them look like me.

I'm speaking to individuals, not to organizations. And I'm speaking to them because I, personally, find their views disappointing and biased, and because these views contradict those of their national organization.

The way individual members act and believe is not truly reflective of the D9's membership intake process or the membership as a whole. I know that. You know that. I've typed that several dozen times now it seems. So, how, precisely, am I belittling anyone's organization? How does my opinion make that big of a deal that I am belittling someone?

And I've never said one damn thing about racism not existing, although I'm rather surprised to find the Grand Matron of the Klan on Greekchat, you'd think she'd have better things to do with her time (like die? ok that was uncharitable.). Seriously, the rest of your post has got to be part of a seperate conversation.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I'm speaking to individuals, not to organizations. And I'm speaking to them because I, personally, find their views disappointing and biased, and because these views contradict those of their national organization.

The way individual members act and believe is not truly reflective of the D9's membership intake process or the membership as a whole. I know that. You know that. I've typed that several dozen times now it seems. So, how, precisely, am I belittling anyone's organization? How does my opinion make that big of a deal that I am belittling someone?

And I've never said one damn thing about racism not existing, although I'm rather surprised to find the Grand Matron of the Klan on Greekchat, you'd think she'd have better things to do with her time (like die? ok that was uncharitable.). Seriously, the rest of your post has got to be part of a seperate conversation.

I am sorry, but it is unclear to me when you say in the same sentance that an individual member shows bias that does not reflect their organization's mission.

I am sorry, but the way an individual member behaves does reflect on the entire organization. And for the D9, we are judged accordingly. Just ask any of the D9 members who have colors that resemble notorious gangs and when they are stopped because of DWB... If I have not heard or seen it a dozen times after the Long Beach Step Show...

And to be blunt about it: you said "today's society". What does this mean from my perspective? Because, I think "today's society" is just as EFFed up compared to past societies, like my Sorority sister Mom's who got water cannoned for equality or my Dad's who is an Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc. member who was arrested and jailed for protesting at a lunch counter...

Today's society is not that much better and whoever says that chit can go EFF themselves. I don't give a crippa crap.

[Dougie]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I am sorry, but it is unclear to me when you say in the same sentance that an individual member shows bias that does not reflect their organization's mission.

I am sorry, but the way an individual member behaves does reflect on the entire organization. And for the D9, we are judged accordingly. Just ask any of the D9 members who have colors that resemble notorious gangs and when they are stopped because of DWB... If I have not heard or seen it a dozen times after the Long Beach Step Show...

And to be blunt about it: you said "today's society". What does this mean from my perspective? Because, I think "today's society" is just as EFFed up compared to past societies, like my Sorority sister Mom's who got water cannoned for equality or my Dad's who is an Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc. member who was arrested and jailed for protesting at a lunch counter...

Today's society is not that much better and whoever says that chit can go EFF themselves. I don't give a crippa crap.

First, the conduct of its individual members reflects on every Greek organization (sometimes all Greek orgs if you’re talking about barbarians' perspectives). That's how it is for all of us, IFC, NPC or NPHC

Second, how on earth is she supposed to know your perspective? I mean honestly. I’ve had long conversations with members of The Movement, one of whom was even a former chairman of SNCC. And after listening to them, I don’t know how you can say things aren’t better. “Today’s Society” may not be perfect, but the generation that was water cannoned and jailed just because they wanted equality made great strides forward. Further, to say “today’s society isn’t much better” is foolish and discounts all that was achieved in the Sixties and Seventies. But I digress, as was previously stated, this is the subject of another conversation.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I am sorry, but it is unclear to me when you say in the same sentance that an individual member shows bias that does not reflect their organization's mission.

I am sorry, but the way an individual member behaves does reflect on the entire organization. And for the D9, we are judged accordingly. Just ask any of the D9 members who have colors that resemble notorious gangs and when they are stopped because of DWB... If I have not heard or seen it a dozen times after the Long Beach Step Show...

And to be blunt about it: you said "today's society". What does this mean from my perspective? Because, I think "today's society" is just as EFFed up compared to past societies, like my Sorority sister Mom's who got water cannoned for equality or my Dad's who is an Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc. member who was arrested and jailed for protesting at a lunch counter...

Today's society is not that much better and whoever says that chit can go EFF themselves. I don't give a crippa crap.

While it is true that one person can make an organization look bad, I feel that in an intelligent discussion, it's not that difficult to keep from generalizing the individual to the group. It is not my decision whether having members state they wouldn't vote for white people is an acceptable image to portray for the organization, I'm not in charge and I'm not a member. I'm not speaking about the organizational level, but at the individual level.

I'll clarify, and individual member's bias is not indicative of a bias in the organization of which he or she is a member. Better?

The only time I got close to commenting on a macro level was a situation where an entire chapter is against voting for white people thus creating a majority vote.

I can't speak for the years gone by, I'm just of this generation. But I see very positive trends in society, particularly in young people. We will have to wait and see if this holds true when my generation is the one in power. But then, I'm also an optimist at heart.

When I say today's society, I may still be optimistic, but our world is slightly better today than yesterday.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I, personally, find their views disappointing and biased, and because these views contradict those of their national organization.

who cares? being biased and prejudiced is human nature, and while some people on here like to prance around like this is the UN or some sort of utopia....we're all biased and prejudiced to some degree. it is what it is, whether or not you like it or whether or not you choose to acknowledge your own baises and prejudices.

whether or not you're disappointed by someone's belief system and how it applies to their organization is irrelevant and insignificant because it's not your organization. you're a nobody when it comes to someone else's organizational processes.