White men in NPHC

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

No, actually I'm objecting to one divorcing skin color from culture and experience. To make a comment based only on skin color and the assumption that a person is one way because of their skin color is ignoring that person's culture and experience. To say no white person is worthy without knowing the individual white person involved individually is ignoring that individual's culture and experience. Do I make sense?

You make sense based on your interpretation of these posts. Not based on what the posts are really saying.

People are judged everyday from the face value of being white, black, handicapped, female, ugly, pretty, short, tall, skinny, fat......

If you want to get beyond the surface, you ask questions and interact with people. It happens to black applicants and black members, as well. Some of us are just more curious when it comes to nonblack applicants and members. But based on your logic, whites shouldn't get any type of questions or curiosity. They should be taken at face value as long as they have the surface qualifications, which is a privilege not even awarded to blacks in our organizations.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Which is a HUGE critique that feminist scholars and race scholars have been making for years.

Folks are correct in that "African American psychology" isn't inherently different than everyone else's. But what your class was about was probably more "social psychology" which delves into how our surroundings influence us cognitively, cultural expectations, and meanings. And how the cognitive, expectations, and meanings impacts our surroundings.

Yes well some of us are new to the field

Yep, basically. And, in one of my more recent graduate classes, we discussed multicultural counseling relationships and determined every relationship will be multicultural because you're almost never going to sit down with someone who has the same values and beliefs and upbringing, etc. as you. I'm taking a whole class on it in the fall and am very interested.

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

You make sense based on your interpretation of these posts. Not based on what the posts are really saying.

People are judged everyday from the face value of being white, black, handicapped, female, ugly, pretty, short, tall, skinny, fat......

If you want to get beyond the surface, you ask questions and interact with people. It happens to black applicants and black members, as well. Some of us are just more curious when it comes to nonblack applicants and members. But based on your logic, whites shouldn't get any type of questions or curiosity. They should be taken at face value as long as they have the surface qualifications, which is a privilege not even awarded to blacks in our organizations.

I don't really think I'm saying that. I'm really saying that the applicants should be treated like individuals and that if a applicant is white, that person is not dismissed out of hand because of their skin color (or because of assumptions made about them due to their skin color). And it sounds to me like the vast majority of members do this. I was only responding to the few who do not. Yes, I acknowledge they're going to get more and different questions if they're non-black and I think they should. But I also think they should be able to prove their dedication. Someone against white membership will never be satisfied with a white applicant even if that person is more dedicated than the "average" black applicant.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

And it sounds to me like the vast majority of members do this. I was only responding to the few who do not.

So you are just responding directly and indirectly to the 1 (2 at the most) person in this thread who said she absolutely would not vote a white person into the chapter.

Nothing more to say about this topic then.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

So you are just responding directly and indirectly to the 1 (2 at the most) person in this thread who said she absolutely would not vote a white person into the chapter.

Nothing more to say about this topic then.

To rephrase, I was responding about the people who do not. And this was never only about this thread and that person as I've seen it again and again here and on other Greek websites, thus I brought it up as it had been bothering me.