White men in NPHC

[Reds6]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I'm all for intent being questioned, but if a person can never satisfy you based on their skin color... I disagree with that.

Legally, sure. Ethically? Morally? I don't agree with it. Particularly when it goes against the values of the organization. I'm not saying recruit guys into a sorority, but when your organization says it welcomes women of all races and creeds (as mine does) you should follow that.

You do realize we are talking about a Sorority membership? I'm not saying I would hire a black person over a white person. I'm not saying I would stop a white person from living in my neighborhood. I'm saying I don't understand why a white person would want to be part of a HBGLO. We promote issues that affect and uplift the black woman and our community amongst other issues. I can't turn to a White Soror and speak about my experience as a black woman and expect her to understand because she's been there not just empathize. I don't care about a person's skin color. But I do know I can't separate my skin color from my ethnic or culture experience or identity. I grew up in a predominately white neighborhood, so my choice to attend an HBCU and join a BGLO was like going home to me, you wouldn't understand that if yo haven't lived it. You can't understand my struggle or that of my people if you haven't lived it. I don't care about what color a person is, but because I know the history of many BGLO's and our purpose of founding, I prefer to share that experience with my sister's of color.

[Laak 315]

Originally Posted by Reds6

You do realize we are talking about a Sorority membership? I'm not saying I would hire a black person over a white person. I'm not saying I would stop a white person from living in my neighborhood. I'm saying I don't understand why a white person would want to be part of a HBGLO. We promote issues that affect and uplift the black woman and our community amongst other issues. I can't turn to a White Soror and speak about my experience as a black woman and expect her to understand because she's been there not just empathize. I don't care about a person's skin color. But I do know I can't separate my skin color from my ethnic or culture experience or identity. I grew up in a predominately white neighborhood, so my choice to attend an HBCU and join a BGLO was like going home to me, you wouldn't understand that if yo haven't lived it. You can't understand my struggle or that of my people if you haven't lived it. I don't care about what color a person is, but because I know the history of many BGLO's and our purpose of founding, I prefer to share that experience with my sister's of color.

So because a white person doesn't necessarily understand what you have been through (i.e. struggle), you are willing to hold that against them and not allow them to be a member of your organization that they obviously wish to be a part of? You say you don't understand why a white person would want to be part of a primarily black organization. There is one black person in my fraternity that is active right now and I can honestly say that none of my brothers has questioned him as to why he joined TKE. We are glad to have him because of what he offers and because he is an all-around great guy. Are you saying that a white person can't be for a cause that black people are for? That seems ludicrous to me. I know plenty of sororities on my campus that are predominantly white, yet have members of other races as sisters. It works out fine. Yet, if one of these "white" sororities denied membership to a woman of another race just because of her race, I guarantee you there would be so many lawsuits that your head would spin. Why is there such a double-standard for an organization that consists primarily of people of a race other than white? You can deny membership to your organization and it seems fine. If a sorority on my campus did that, they'd be sued/suspended/kicked off, etc...I'm just not understanding why there is a double-standard...

[BlueNYC2]

smh...why ya'll still goin back and forth about this shit???

to the NPC members, just remember, that the few NPHC members on here dont make up even a .00001% of our respective orgs, except for the Iotas on here(just kiddin...i had to get that out of my system)...so they are not the reflection of the org or chapter as a whole.

[starang21]

LOL...i was waiting for the "we have three minorities in our house, one black guy, an asian guy and a hawaiian. we don't see skin color."

LOLOL

[Laak 315]

come to think of it...our's is kind of like that

[starang21]

Originally Posted by Laak 315

come to think of it...our's is kind of like that

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Laak 315]

...including the Hawaiian

[1908Revelations]

Originally Posted by starang21

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Stop.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Laak 315

Are you saying that a white person can't be for a cause that black people are for? That seems ludicrous to me. I know plenty of sororities on my campus that are predominantly white, yet have members of other races as sisters. It works out fine. Yet, if one of these "white" sororities denied membership to a woman of another race just because of her race, I guarantee you there would be so many lawsuits that your head would spin. Why is there such a double-standard for an organization that consists primarily of people of a race other than white? You can deny membership to your organization and it seems fine. If a sorority on my campus did that, they'd be sued/suspended/kicked off, etc...I'm just not understanding why there is a double-standard...

It is pointless to ask these type of questions or to really even try to discuss it.......especially on greekchat.

White people can't join HBGLOs because we don't "understand" what they are trying to promote and the purposes, etc. etc. blah blah blah.

.....but then when fraternities, especially in the South, have all white members it's because we are all racists, bigots, KKK lovers. God forbid we pledge who we want to.

[Laak 315]

that's definitely what it seems like to me...I just wish someone would explain the double-standard to me...

[RedefinedDiva]

What I don't understand is why, because of ONE person's opinion on what SHE would do in HER org., it has become a double standard perpetuated by EACH AND EVERY D9 org.? Are you honestly trying to come here and state that out of the x amount of chapters that your orgs. have, there is not ONE person that claims they woudn't admit a non-white member? Are you kidding me? For every chapter of your respective orgs. that likes to model itself after the UN and accpet members from all countries, races, nationalities, etc., there is one chapter that has remained all white. Get real.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by RedefinedDiva

What I don't understand is why, because of ONE person's opinion on what SHE would do in HER org., it has become a double standard perpetuated by EACH AND EVERY D9 org.? Are you honestly trying to come here and state that out of the x amount of chapters that your orgs. have, there is not ONE person that claims they woudn't admit a non-white member? Are you kidding me? For every chapter of your respective orgs. that likes to model itself after the UN and accpet members from all countries, races, nationalities, etc., there is one chapter that has remained all white. Get real.

When did I say it was something perpetuated by "EACH AND EVERY D9 org."

Don't think I did. I'm pretty sure I said that was how it is on Greekchat, which, in my opinion, is absolutely true.

...and no, obviously I can't speak for the thousands upon thousands of members of SAE. I have never heard anyone say openly that they would not admit a black person. I have heard people, and I agree with them because I feel the same way, say that they have yet to meet a black person that would fit in with my chapter and others that are similar.

[RedefinedDiva]

I didn't say that YOU said it. And if you know that you didn't say it, that beginning portion of your comment was unnecessary.

[Reds6]

Originally Posted by Laak 315

So because a white person doesn't necessarily understand what you have been through (i.e. struggle), you are willing to hold that against them and not allow them to be a member of your organization that they obviously wish to be a part of? You say you don't understand why a white person would want to be part of a primarily black organization. There is one black person in my fraternity that is active right now and I can honestly say that none of my brothers has questioned him as to why he joined TKE. We are glad to have him because of what he offers and because he is an all-around great guy. Are you saying that a white person can't be for a cause that black people are for? That seems ludicrous to me. I know plenty of sororities on my campus that are predominantly white, yet have members of other races as sisters. It works out fine. Yet, if one of these "white" sororities denied membership to a woman of another race just because of her race, I guarantee you there would be so many lawsuits that your head would spin. Why is there such a double-standard for an organization that consists primarily of people of a race other than white? You can deny membership to your organization and it seems fine. If a sorority on my campus did that, they'd be sued/suspended/kicked off, etc...I'm just not understanding why there is a double-standard...

Yep all of that! And if a NPC turned down a person of color, honestly it wouldn't bother me, because you should be able to choose who you wnat in your private organization.