Harry Potter Speculation

[aopirose]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

There was nothing specific about it in Book 4, but I think there was adequate information from which one can accurately deduce that V did not create a horcrux when he killed Harry's parents and tried to kill Harry. Don't want to get explicit here, though, unless people want explicitness.

I agree. He was trying to kill Harry and I don't think that he inadvertantly created one "in" Harry. The creation of a horcrux must be a deliberate action since the steps to creating one are so heinous.

[MysticCat]

^^^^ Right. But there is something even more to the point in Book 4, I think.

[CutiePie2000]

It's been a while since I read the book(s), so since... my memory is a lil' foggy, please feel free to enlighten me.

You get a horcrux by "tearing a piece of your soul off", yes? (i.e. the little piece of "soul" would be the horcrux)

I'm thinking that the scar *is* a horcrux, or has a "horcrux living in it"..... there's been too much of an "ado" about Harry's scar since page 1 of the books, for the scar not to be something hugely significant. And basically, my belief is that, if a "chunk of Voldemort (i.e. the horcrux)" is residing in Harry's forehead scar, the only way for Voldemort to "get at it", is either for Harry to die (and this would thereby "release the horcrux") or for Voldemort to die (and then the horcrux would die too, since the "Main Voldemort" would be dead). My theory/belief/paradigm is that now that the horcrux is "in" Harry's forehead, it cannot be retrieved unless Harry, being the "host", is dead.

[lyrelyre]

Originally Posted by CutiePie2000

And basically, my belief is that, if a "chunk of Voldemort (i.e. the horcrux)" is residing in Harry's forehead scar, the only way for Voldemort to "get at it", is either for Harry to die (and this would thereby "release the horcrux") or for Voldemort to die (and then the horcrux would die too, since the "Main Voldemort" would be dead).

It is my understanding, it's been a while since I read the books as well, that the whole point of a horcrux is that you cannot die while one still exists. If the portion of the soul that is in Voldemort's "body" dies, the portion that resides in a horcrux can be used to "regenerate" Voldemort.

[CutiePie2000]

Ah yes...I think it is coming back to me now. So, if Voldemort gets "killed off", he can "rejuvenate" himself with one of the several horcruxes that he made, right? (How many did the non-evil wizards believe Voldemort made? I think it was 6 or 7, wasn't it?)

[Drolefille]

6 total is what Dumbledore guessed.
We know the diary was one, and the locket is another.
One guess as to what they are
SPOILER BELOW:

Marvolo’s ring - Destroyed
Riddle's diary - Destroyed
Slytherin’s locket
Hufflepuff’s cup
Gryffindor artifact
Ravenclaw artifact
The bottom two are really the ones that are uncertain.

Oh also I'd say Harry is not a horcrux because Voldemort's been spending so much time trying to kill him. Why try to destroy the one thing that would help keep you alive? Also it was Harry that caused Voldemort to lose his powers (again while Voldemort was trying to kill him). I'm not sure there's any reason for Voldemort to target Harry so unceasingly if he's a horcrux. V. thinks that Harry will destroy him (and has since Harry's infancy) why try to make him into a horcrux?

[AlexMack]

Random question: I see everywhere that it's widely accepted that the Grey Lady is Ravenclaw's ghost but she's not mentioned once in any of the books, either the UK or the US version. I know because I've combed them through carefully. So where the hell is this coming from?

[CutiePie2000]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Oh also I'd say Harry is not a horcrux because Voldemort's been spending so much time trying to kill him. Why try to destroy the one thing that would help keep you alive?

Allow me to run with the "Scar is a horcrux" theory for lil' while longer....:
When Voldemort was killing the Potter parents, I think Voldemort might have unintentionally wounded Harry, and that scar ended up being a horcrux, since Voldemort accidentally transferred over some of his other powers to Harry, such as the ability to speak Parseltongue (snake language), Harry's scar throbs or "flares up" when V. is near, (and then also, in Book #1 in Ollivander's Wand Shop, the wand that "chose Harry" was the brother-wand of Voldemort's wand). If Voldemort were to kill Harry, would the (alleged) scar-horcrux / piece of soul go back into Voldemort and reunite with the rest of his fractured soul, or would that horcrux piece of soul just die too? Hmmm.....