Tri-Sigma Sorority

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by 33girl

NO!!!

There is NO national bond between any NPC and NIC group. Please inform everyone who tells you differently that they are WRONG.

While in a sense, you may be right, this is not the case across the board. Unofficially, several groups with historical bonds refer to each other as "brother or sister" organizations. While this doesn't occur at the national level (most likely) and is nowhere in anyone's Constitution, it happens.

For example, Sigma Nus had a hand in getting Alpha Xi Delta started at Lombard College. Unofficially, many Alpha Xi's will refer to Sigma Nu as their "brother fraternity." Or something that effect. I'm pretty sure there's even something along those lines in the Alpha Xi pledge manual (or some historical document), but I could be wrong.

While in the sense that we don't have joint meetings and rituals and articles of governance, you're right, there's no national bond. On a historical level, I think you'd be wrong, however. Such a bond exists between several NPC/NIC groups.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by Kevin

While in a sense, you may be right, this is not the case across the board. Unofficially, several groups with historical bonds refer to each other as "brother or sister" organizations. While this doesn't occur at the national level (most likely) and is nowhere in anyone's Constitution, it happens.

For example, Sigma Nus had a hand in getting Alpha Xi Delta started at Lombard College. Unofficially, many Alpha Xi's will refer to Sigma Nu as their "brother fraternity." Or something that effect. I'm pretty sure there's even something along those lines in the Alpha Xi pledge manual (or some historical document), but I could be wrong.

While in the sense that we don't have joint meetings and rituals and articles of governance, you're right, there's no national bond. On a historical level, I think you'd be wrong, however. Such a bond exists between several NPC/NIC groups.

Maybe you should check up on NPC rules before you go acting like you know what you're talking about.

It doesn't matter who says what. There are no brother/sister official OR unofficial GLOs. Perhaps actually listening to the other NPC sisters, or maybe the actual Tri Sigma sister, you will notice you are wrong... if that is possible.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Maybe you should check up on NPC rules before you go acting like you know what you're talking about.

It doesn't matter who says what. There are no brother/sister official OR unofficial GLOs. Perhaps actually listening to the other NPC sisters, or maybe the actual Tri Sigma sister, you will notice you are wrong... if that is possible.

Perhaps it is you who doesn't know what you're talking about? NPC rules have nothing to do with this really. Historical bonds exist outside the rules and are not affected by them. That members refer to another group as a "brother" organization occurs. Everyone is aware of the historical connection. In that respect your rules are completely irrelevant.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Perhaps it is you who doesn't know what you're talking about? NPC rules have nothing to do with this really. Historical bonds exist outside the rules and are not affected by them. That members refer to another group as a "brother" organization occurs. Everyone is aware of the historical connection. In that respect your rules are completely irrelevant.

Let me rephrase...there is no CONSTITUTIONAL bond. (I would have said that, but it was early in the morning & the OP didn't seem to be getting it)

There is a historical bond between ASA & Tri Delta (no dash). That doesn't mean we ever call them our "sister" organization. There is a historical bond between SAE & Alpha Phi Omega. That doesn't mean they call each other "brothers."

[aopirose]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Let me rephrase...there is no CONSTITUTIONAL bond. (I would have said that, but it was early in the morning & the OP didn't seem to be getting it)

There is a historical bond between ASA & Tri Delta (no dash). That doesn't mean we ever call them our "sister" organization. There is a historical bond between SAE & Alpha Phi Omega. That doesn't mean they call each other "brothers."

So you're saying they're not sister/sister, brother/sister or brother/brother? How about mom/daughter, father/daughter or father/son since one of the organizations is older?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by 33girl

There is a historical bond between ASA & Tri Delta (no dash). That doesn't mean we ever call them our "sister" organization. There is a historical bond between SAE & Alpha Phi Omega. That doesn't mean they call each other "brothers."

Some do, some don't.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Kevin

While in a sense, you may be right, this is not the case across the board. Unofficially, several groups with historical bonds refer to each other as "brother or sister" organizations. While this doesn't occur at the national level (most likely) and is nowhere in anyone's Constitution, it happens.

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Maybe you should check up on NPC rules before you go acting like you know what you're talking about.

It doesn't matter who says what. There are no brother/sister official OR unofficial GLOs. Perhaps actually listening to the other NPC sisters, or maybe the actual Tri Sigma sister, you will notice you are wrong... if that is possible.

No, Kevin is right. Regardless of whether its official or not, it happens. A quick Google of "Alpha Xi Delta," "Sigma Nu" and "brother fraternity" turned up 44 hits along the lines of the following:

From the Zeta Theta chapter of Alpha Xi Delta: With the help of the men of the Sigma Nu Fraternity, the Alpha Xi Delta’s brother fraternity, they were able to organize their ideas and create a successful organization that affects women’s lives every day.

From the Beta Pi chapter of Alpha Xi Delta: The fraternity flower is the Killarney Rose, which characteristics include a light pink color, thornless, with a large bloom. It was chosen by our Founders to complement the white rose of Sigma Nu, our brother fraternity.

From the Atlanta Cobb-Cherokee Alumnae Association of Alpha Xi Delta: TBD: Social - March Madness Sigma Nu Social - Join us with our brother fraternity in Atlanta.

Google even took me to this post and this post here at GC.

So while there is no official relationship (and Kevin never said there was), he is right that "it happens" that some Alpha Xi Delta members refer to Sigma Nu as their "brother fraternity."

[33girl]

If it's not on the national websites, it's not official.

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

No, Kevin is right. Regardless of whether its official or not, it happens. A quick Google of "Alpha Xi Delta," "Sigma Nu" and "brother fraternity" turned up 44 hits along the lines of the following:

From the Zeta Theta chapter of Alpha Xi Delta: With the help of the men of the Sigma Nu Fraternity, the Alpha Xi Delta’s brother fraternity, they were able to organize their ideas and create a successful organization that affects women’s lives every day.

From the Beta Pi chapter of Alpha Xi Delta: The fraternity flower is the Killarney Rose, which characteristics include a light pink color, thornless, with a large bloom. It was chosen by our Founders to complement the white rose of Sigma Nu, our brother fraternity.

From the Atlanta Cobb-Cherokee Alumnae Association of Alpha Xi Delta: TBD: Social - March Madness Sigma Nu Social - Join us with our brother fraternity in Atlanta.

Google even took me to this post and this post here at GC.

So while there is no official relationship (and Kevin never said there was), he is right that "it happens" that some Alpha Xi Delta members refer to Sigma Nu as their "brother fraternity."

Due to the fact that I've seen plenty of chapters from my own GLO say the wrong things on their chapter websites, I would NEVER take anything as correct unless it was quoted from the IH website.

And just because it does happen, doesn't mean it's right.

[NutBrnHair]

Originally Posted by 33girl

There is a historical bond between ASA & Tri Delta (no dash). That doesn't mean we ever call them our "sister" organization.

This fascinates me.

Interestingly, it's mentioned on the ASA national website, but not on Tri Delta's.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

This fascinates me.

Interestingly, it's mentioned on the ASA national website, but not on Tri Delta's.

I think it's because it really had no effect on Tri Delta. SAE's national site doesn't mention APO either.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by Kevin

While in the sense that we don't have joint meetings and rituals and articles of governance, you're right, there's no national bond. On a historical level, I think you'd be wrong, however. Such a bond exists between several NPC/NIC groups.

See, this is what this whole thread is hinging on.

The bond that Kevin speaks of is regional, at best. People choose to acknowledge it, others don't. A historical connection is there, but a national bond IS NOT.

The NPC posters in this thread are not wrong.

Kevin is not wrong, he's just answering a different question.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

The bond that Kevin speaks of is regional, at best.

Regional maybe, or historical/informal/sentimental, unofficially acknowledged by some but not by all.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

The bond that Kevin speaks of is regional, at best. People choose to acknowledge it, others don't. A historical connection is there, but a national bond IS NOT.

I'm reasonably certain that Alpha Xi Delta new member materials discuss this aspect of the common history. While they do disclaim the "brother" reference, when we came to campus, the brand new Alpha Xi chapter there (chartered in '99, the year we opened our colony) already knew to call us their "brother" organization.

In fact, I recall being scolded a few times for not teaching my pledges about this historical linkage.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I'm reasonably certain that Alpha Xi Delta new member materials discuss this aspect of the common history. While they do disclaim the "brother" reference . . . .

It is discussed here, at the Alpha Xi Delta website. There is certainly no reference to Sigma Nu being Alpha Xi Delta's "brother fraternity," but the early associations with Sigma Nu are discussed, including the statement that for Alpha Xi Delta's flower, the Founders "chose the pink rose as a complement to the white rose of Sigma Nu."