HPV Vaccine: Mandatory?

[valkyrie]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Especially when I fully support the theory behind the vaccination in question.

Lobbying issues aside, even if you support the theory behind the vaccine, what does it have to do with school -- why should it be required for school attendance?

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by valkyrie

Lobbying issues aside, even if you support the theory behind the vaccine, what does it have to do with school -- why should it be required for school attendance?

I'm not saying I unilaterally support requiring the vaccine on the state (or federal) level - just that I don't fault the company for lobbying states to require it. The reason to be in business is to make a profit - just because the vaccine will probably help people, this does not mean the company can't be profit-oriented.

I think, realistically, the only way to 'require' a vaccine is through the schools, similar to MMR or etc, so that's really the only connection in my mind . . . although I don't think it is really similar to MMR, which are used to prevent 'outbreak' throughout a school. However, if the ultimate goal is to eliminate some of these strands of HPV (like polio), then requiring the vaccine in this fashion might be the only way. Salt to taste.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

I'm not saying I unilaterally support requiring the vaccine on the state (or federal) level - just that I don't fault the company for lobbying states to require it. The reason to be in business is to make a profit - just because the vaccine will probably help people, this does not mean the company can't be profit-oriented.

I think, realistically, the only way to 'require' a vaccine is through the schools, similar to MMR or etc, so that's really the only connection in my mind . . . although I don't think it is really similar to MMR, which are used to prevent 'outbreak' throughout a school. However, if the ultimate goal is to eliminate some of these strands of HPV (like polio), then requiring the vaccine in this fashion might be the only way. Salt to taste.

Ok. So remove the penis and you now have a va-g-g. How would you feel about the vaccine being mandatory?

I agree about the school thing tho. If they're going to make it mandatory, I guess going the school route is the best way for THEM to do it... Not that I agree.

[Drolefille]

I feel the same way about it as KSig RC does though. And *checks* yeah, still female.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Ok. So remove the penis and you now have a va-g-g. How would you feel about the vaccine being mandatory?

Did you read my post?

I don't support it being mandatory - I support the company's right to use the system to their advantage. I also noted that making it "mandatory" would likely require using school enrollment, at least if it were to be mandatory for girls ages 11-12:

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I agree about the school thing tho. If they're going to make it mandatory, I guess going the school route is the best way for THEM to do it... Not that I agree.

... Which you apparently gleaned - so wtf happened?

[UGAalum94]

I don't support in being mandatory although I think it's a great idea. I think we should try to make sure it's available to everybody who wants it and is likely to benefit from it.

But I don't think it should be tied to school attendance. Most if not all of the vaccines required for school attendance are for diseases that could be transmitted at school. As crazy as the stories coming out about middle school are these days, I don't think HPV is likely to be transmitted at school.

I'm all about Merc advertising and seeking subsidies from the gov't to make sure the vaccine is distributed. I've got a lot of trouble with them lobbying governors to make executive orders or legislators to make in mandatory for school. In fact, I don't think I'd reelect an official who took this decision away from the individuals.

There are ways we can promote good behaviors without mandating non-academic things for school.

[DolphinChicaDDD]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

As crazy as the stories coming out about middle school are these days, I don't think HPV is likely to be transmitted at school.

Maybe the transmission itself might not occur at school, but it will occur as the result of being in school. In my short time teaching, I've had 2 pregnant 7th graders and 1 pregnant 8th grader. That was in one school alone (with a population of about 75 students per grade.) I won't even touch high school...or the "my friend has weird bumps...what should she do" type STDs that I got asked about (love being the bio teacher.) No, not all middler schoolers are off having sex, but some are and most are off performing sexual acts. In my opnion (read: opnion based on my experiences) middle schoolers who are engaged in behavior not suitable for their age are more likely to not use protection because they have less access to it and believe nothing will happen to them.

I'm still torn on the issue of manditory vaccination. I'm debating it with myself right now. I certianly believe it should be on the reccommended list.

kddani- I've had the first dose of the vaccine, so far I'm still alive with no side effects either. No sore arm either...the only complaints my doc had were sore arms, so now she does a shot in the butt, a la babies. More fat= less likely to be sore, according to her.

[Drolefille]

According to this: The National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke

Guillain-Barré syndrome can affect anybody. It can strike at any age and both sexes are equally prone to the disorder. The syndrome is rare, however, afflicting only about one person in 100,000. Usually Guillain-Barré occurs a few days or weeks after the patient has had symptoms of a respiratory or gastrointestinal viral infection. Occasionally surgery or vaccinations will trigger the syndrome.

If literally hundreds of thousands of women have received the vaccine. That is at a minimum 200,000. If the vaccine caused a particular problem, you'd see a higher rate than 3 out of 200,000. (It's more likely the numbers are even closer to 1:100,000) Particularly since it is usually caused by other infections, not medical procedures.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DolphinChicaDDD

Maybe the transmission itself might not occur at school, but it will occur as the result of being in school. In my short time teaching, I've had 2 pregnant 7th graders and 1 pregnant 8th grader. That was in one school alone (with a population of about 75 students per grade.) I won't even touch high school...or the "my friend has weird bumps...what should she do" type STDs that I got asked about (love being the bio teacher.) No, not all middler schoolers are off having sex, but some are and most are off performing sexual acts. In my opnion (read: opnion based on my experiences) middle schoolers who are engaged in behavior not suitable for their age are more likely to not use protection because they have less access to it and believe nothing will happen to them.

Yeah, I know what you mean. But I still wouldn't tie it school attendance. The vaccines that we require for school are usually for diseases fairly easily communicable through casual contact that you could expect at school. HPV, not so much.

It bugs me that schools become the medium through which various non-academic ideas for the social good are foisted on the kids. Your attendance at middle school shouldn't be in question because you refuse a vaccine for a disease that someone couldn't really get from you, even if you had, it without pretty intimate contact. Even if we allow parents to refuse it, it's still a goofy situation to put people in.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Did you read my post?

I don't support it being mandatory - I support the company's right to use the system to their advantage. I also noted that making it "mandatory" would likely require using school enrollment, at least if it were to be mandatory for girls ages 11-12:



... Which you apparently gleaned - so wtf happened?

I did read it. I meant to put that my question was geared towards men who support this. My bad

[blueangel]

Still think this mandatory vaccine law is about saving lives? Or is it about $$$'s and political favors?

It is now being disclosed that Gov. Rick Perry's chief of staff met with key aides about Gardasil the SAME DAY that the drug company made a donation to his campaign. Kinda makes you go hmmmmmm:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...h/4571571.html

And.. the first glimmer of side effects is starting to come to light... mostly faintings and nausea.. but there have been some cases of Guillain-Barre Syndrome. All of these side effects are currently being played down... but ....Stay tuned.. my crystal ball predicts this is only the beginning. Remember, this vaccine has only been out for a few months. This is why I have always taken a "wait and see" position on this vaccine. My question is .. why the rush?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...8NEDRCG0.shtml

And.. for those who are interested (I know that some of you think the NVIC is prejudiced)-- I'm also providing a link to a story in a global medical news service which provides the NVIC's findings on the side effects so far.

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=22085

[Drolefille]

ZOMG 500 girls out of how many? Reported dizziness, mild fever, and nausea?

And 3 GB? That's ridiculously insignificant.

They didn't play anything down in that article. 524 reported side effects, the vast majority of which appear to be minor out of how many women? If it were 525 women I'd be worried. If it were 1000 women, I'd be worried. It's way more than that. It's out of approximately "hundreds of thousands" who have recieved at least one shot.

Statistics are there for a reason.