MLK Party at Tarleton State

macallan25 · #1 01-28-2007, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by starang21

so.....?

of course they're not racist. their best friend is black.

This was a black guy claiming he didn't think any of the guys were racist.......not a bunch of white guys doing the whole "I have a good friend who is black so i'm not racist."

.....not that I really care though, I figured you'd post something like this at some point.

UGAalum94 · #2 01-28-2007, 06:17 PM

That alone doesn't mean you're racist, as far as I'm concerned, but I also think it provides enough information for a reasonable person with no additional information, like most GC readers, to draw the conclusion that there's a good chance you might be.

starang21 · #3 01-28-2007, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

not that I really care though

you cared enough to respond.

and i'm saying they can't be racist. their best friend is black.

shinerbock · #4 01-28-2007, 07:16 PM

Starang, and we're interpreting that as sarcasm. People on here often accuse people of racism despite evidence to the contrary.

starang21 · #5 01-28-2007, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Starang, and we're interpreting that as sarcasm. People on here often accuse people of racism despite evidence to the contrary.

ok, and?

who said they're racist?

impossible.

they have someone who's black vouching for them.

JonoBN41 · #6 01-28-2007, 07:46 PM

There's a big difference between making fun of a group, and hating that group. Comedians, talk show hosts, and shows like Saturday Night Live poke fun at various definable groups - be they political, sexual, racial, or religious - all the time, but they don't hate them.

As for racism, I looked it up in my trusty dictionary just to be sure. It has two definitions.

1. The notion that one's own ethnic stock is superior.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

I'm going to stick my neck out and assume two things here:

a - def. 1 applies to virtually no one on GC.
b - def. 2 applies to virtually everyone on GC (whether they will admit it or not).

If people parody a certain group, that can be taken with good humor or indignity. In all honesty, it's the indignity of a vocal few that tends to make me dislike a certain group more than any inherent quality of the group itself.

As PM_Mama00 said, "We shouldn't have to live our lives walking on eggshells about everything."

starang21 · #7 01-28-2007, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JonoBN41

There's a big difference between making fun of a group, and hating that group. Comedians, talk show hosts, and shows like Saturday Night Live poke fun at various definable groups - be they political, sexual, racial, or religious - all the time, but they don't hate them.

As for racism, I looked it up in my trusty dictionary just to be sure. It has two definitions.

1. The notion that one's own ethnic stock is superior.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

I'm going to stick my neck out and assume two things here:

a - def. 1 applies to virtually no one on GC.
b - def. 2 applies to virtually everyone on GC (whether they will admit it or not).

If people parody a certain group, that can be taken with good humor or indignity. In all honesty, it's the indignity of a vocal few that tends to make me dislike a certain group more than any inherent quality of the group itself.

As PM_Mama00 said, "We shouldn't have to live our lives walking on eggshells about everything."

there's also this one....

2. discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race

scroll down on dictionary.com

good humor should be taken by whom? the people offending or those who are being offended?

if you don't particularly care about the feelings of those you're offending....then you'll never walk on eggshells.

macallan25 · #8 01-28-2007, 08:14 PM

So I guess you are the final authority when it comes to deciding what is and isn't discriminatroy/abusive?

......because the way I read it the black guy that started the party originally didn't get any of that out of it. Its quite clear that he took it for what it was.....poking fun at a stereotype.........not hating/discriminating/being abusice towards another race.

starang21 · #9 01-28-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

So I guess you are the final authority when it comes to deciding what is and isn't discriminatroy/abusive?

......because the way I read it the black guy that started the party originally didn't get any of that out of it. Its quite clear that he took it for what it was.....poking fun at a stereotype.........not hating/discriminating/being abusice towards another race.

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But Williams also admitted that that party was a different kind of bash than the one held recently. For starters, there were no buckets of fried chicken at the “original” MLK party. No 40-oz bottles of malt liquor in brown paper sacks. No afros. No toy guns and no baggy pants. Williams said he couldn’t recall anyone dressed as “Aunt Jemima” either.

who defines what's "abusice?" if you have a 10 person group, and 9/10 say they're offended....and that last person says they're not...what sort of conclusion would you come to? and who are you to say what people should/should not be offended by?

UGAalum94 · #10 01-28-2007, 08:58 PM

Well, Starang21, on the other hand, how much do you have to care about people being deeply offended about something pretty stupid and silly?

Yep, these folks look like idiots. Especially if they have regard for black people's feelings (which you think they would if they really have black friends), they should have thought this party idea out better.

But if you're going to concern yourself with the harmful effects of images of your group, wouldn't it make the most sense to address the stereotype, rather than people making fun of the stereotypes?

(It doesn't anger me when people make fun of rednecks from Georgia, only when they seem to assume that everyone from Georgia is a redneck.)

Do you imagine that the Aunt Jemima with the gun really thinks she's accurately representing anything? Or that the guys with bandanas and tilted caps think they're saying something about Barack Obama?

Why get bent out of shape that it has something to do with you?

macallan25 · #11 01-28-2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by starang21

who defines what's "abusice?" if you have a 10 person group, and 9/10 say they're offended....and that last person says they're not...what sort of conclusion would you come to? and who are you to say what people should/should not be offended by?

I never said people shouldn't be offended. Thanks champ. Pretty sure I said I thought it was insensitive. Before you get all bent out of shape at the offending party and accuse them of being racists....maybe you should consider why there is a very real stereotype to begin with.