Racial Conflict

[UGAalum94]

DSTCHAOS,

Are you white? If you aren't, I'm a little surprised that you'd make the claim that you know what is like to be the average white person. Social networks exist for people of any race or backgroup; the average white network isn't the power system I think you imagine it to be.

Shinerbock, Macallen, Elephant Walk,

Of course, you guys can use whatever membership standard you want to use. I do understand what the top houses are like at southern schools. But when you make the claims based on elitism that you guys seem to be making, please understand that some of the causes and some of the effects of your standards are racist. If you're happy with that, whatever, but when you think of great men in history they usually sought to be noble and work for the social good, in addition to being good hosts and having good manners.

I'd also throw out there that your failure to seek out the best guys on campus, rather than waiting for guys to show up at rush, isn't probably falling short of what your founders had in mind and is probably causing your groups to become weaker over time. People are still showing up for your parties, but your influence in probably shrinking.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Shinerbock, Macallen, Elephant Walk,

Of course, you guys can use whatever membership standard you want to use. I do understand what the top houses are like at southern schools. But when you make the claims based on elitism that you guys seem to be making, please understand that some of the causes and some of the effects of your standards are racist. If you're happy with that, whatever, but when you think of great men in history they usually sought to be noble and work for the social good, in addition to being good hosts and having good manners.

When the hell did I ever make any claims based on "elitism"?? What is your deal with using this word? I have been pretty calm, but you are really starting to piss me off. I don't think that I am better than anyone, period. Our standards are in no way, shape or form, fucking racist. Some of you morons don't understand the magnitude of that word......and I take quite a bit of offense when me or my chapter is accused of being racist becasue we don't go out of out way to extend a bid to a fucking minority. We have every right in the world to extend bids to guys whom we see fit to be a part of our chapter. We have areas and locations that we like to get guys from...and the rest of our pledge numbers are made up during rush. I honestly do try to get a very good idea of the kind of guys that come through our house.......and I have yet to see a black guy that is anything close to what we would want. Nothing in common, period. As far as Asians and Hispanics.....don't really see any......and the ones that do go through would rather be in a Latino or Asian fraternity from what I can tell through the years.

I'm glad you think that we are unable to be "noble and work for the social good" because we don't go searching for a minority that might fit in with our fraternity.....nice logic there. Last time I checked, the men in our house wrere all raised in a high class social upbringing that certainly taught them how to be good hosts, and I don't think anyone would say that they weren't gentlemen.

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

I'd also throw out there that your failure to seek out the best guys on campus, rather than waiting for guys to show up at rush, isn't probably falling short of what your founders had in mind and is probably causing your groups to become weaker over time. People are still showing up for your parties, but your influence in probably shrinking.

Sorry, we don't wait around till formal rush starts and then "search" for guys on campus. A large proportion of our pledge class is already determined prior to school starting. Being at UGA I figured you would have some knowledge of how fraternity recruitment works. This is why a good chapter holds rush parties in areas that they like to recruit from and holds rush trips for the guys that we are really interested in. Obviously there are always some guys that will come through the house during rush that we may take a look at.....but for the most part the class is already made up. If we don't find anyone during rush that we don't think would be a good fit......tough shit. Besides the point, why should we try to pursue people that don't show any interest in us IN THE FIRST PLACE?? I haven't seen a black guy at any one of our rush events in the summer....ever.....and the ones that are held at the fraternity houses during the summer are enormous parties. Same goes for bar tabs, golf tournaments, ranch trips, New Orleans trips, etc. etc.

Sorry........we aren't getting weaker because we don't actively pursue minorities for the sake of saying we are diversified. That is horrible reasoning.....

[Elephant Walk]

This is why a good chapter holds rush parties in areas that they like to recruit from and holds rush trips for the guys that we are really interested in.

Agreed we hold pre-rush parties in Dallas, Little Rock and Memphis. I have never seen a black person there. The only black person who came through rush last year wanted to go Lambda Chi, and they cut him. He dropped out of rush.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

DSTCHAOS,

Are you white?

Yes.

So are Peggy McIntosh and Joe Feagin.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Yes.

So are Peggy McIntosh and Joe Feagin.

Okay, I made an incorrect assumption based on the general membership of DST. I apologize if that alone was offensive.


Whiteness may be doing more for you than for me.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Okay, I made an incorrect assumption based on the general membership of DST. I apologize if that alone was offensive.


Whiteness may be doing more for you than for me.

LOL. No, I'm not white.

But Peggy McIntosh and Joe Feagin still are. You should do a Google search of them. It will negate everything you've typed and ever will type about this topic.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

LOL. No, I'm not white.

But Peggy McIntosh and Joe Feagin still are. You should do a Google search of them. It will negate everything you've typed and ever will type about this topic.

Yeah, I know Peggy McIntosh is; it was you I didn't know about.

It would negate it if I accepted it, which I'm not sure I will. But I do like to challenge myself and my assumptions, so maybe I do need to read the whole thing.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Yeah, I now Peggy McIntosh is; it was you I didn't know about.

It would negate it if I accepted it, which I'm not sure I will. But I do like to challenge myself and my assumtions, so maybe I do need to read the whole thing.

Cool. White privilege is both conscious and subconscious. It includes but is not limited to social networks. Again, it's about across context advantage, regardless of the specific instances where you are not privileged (as far as you know).