Racial Conflict

Elephant Walk · #1 11-17-2006, 02:16 AM

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Shinerbock, I probably wasn't discriminating among you, Elephant Walk, and Macallan as much as I should have been. I have no idea if you are racist or not, but it seemed to me that the three of you were basically saying you couldn't include black members and be a top chapter. That seemed racist to me, but I'll take your word if you want to claim otherwise. I didn't mention Bush, but maybe that part wasn't addressed to me.

I will straight up tell you that we could not have black members and be a top chapter. There is no possible way. In majority white campuses (especially Southern), blacks would scare away the girls. Look at the bottom tier at the campus. The (in my opinion) worst chapters on campus include blacks Sigma Nu, Sig Ep, and Pike. That is third tier. Every one of them has one to two black members. There are no blacks in the 2nd tier and above. Therefore, I will tell you as a studied fact/opinion that there is no way a black person could be taken and continue being a top tier fraternity.

UGAalum94 · #2 11-17-2006, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I will straight up tell you that we could not have black members and be a top chapter. There is no possible way. In majority white campuses (especially Southern), blacks would scare away the girls. Look at the bottom tier at the campus. The (in my opinion) worst chapters on campus include blacks Sigma Nu, Sig Ep, and Pike. That is third tier. Every one of them has one to two black members. There are no blacks in the 2nd tier and above. Therefore, I will tell you as a studied fact/opinion that there is no way a black person could be taken and continue being a top tier fraternity.

I'm worried about your saying "scare away the girls" because that seems to founded on the most primitive form of racism, but on some level I understand what you are saying. I don't agree that the outcome of a top group accepting a black member would be the outcome you describe, but I think that you have accurately described the thought processes of many groups.

FSUZeta · #3 11-17-2006, 09:31 AM

i am in no way a cheerleader for pi kappa alpha at fsu, however, you are gravely mistaken when you say that pike is not a top chapter at fsu. they have the athletes, the movers and shakers, the faces, have the most members, have the alumni support, the largest house, have the largest pledge class,etc. i believe that they won a top award at the fraternity's most recent convention. in my estimation, that qualifies them as a top chapter.

macallan25 · #4 11-17-2006, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FSUZeta

i am in no way a cheerleader for pi kappa alpha at fsu, however, you are gravely mistaken when you say that pike is not a top chapter at fsu. they have the athletes, the movers and shakers, the faces, have the most members, have the alumni support, the largest house, have the largest pledge class,etc. i believe that they won a top award at the fraternity's most recent convention. in my estimation, that qualifies them as a top chapter.

Having the most pledges, or the biggest house doesn't make you a top chapter on a campus in any way....and winning awards from your Nationals doesn't either.

PeppyGPhiB · #5 11-17-2006, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

Having the most pledges...doesn't make you a top chapter on a campus in any way...

I think this is arguable. Sorry, but bad chapters don't usually get large pledge classes, let alone the biggest on campus. I think your take on this example demonstrates that "top" is very subjective.

FSUZeta · #6 11-17-2006, 03:44 PM

would you please list what criteria determines a campus as classically southern?

shinerbock · #7 11-17-2006, 03:45 PM

Well, Mac, what we would consider the top chapters on campus are probably a little different from what some people on here would like. We should probably tone it down, or else they might want to infiltrate whats left of classic southern collegiate life.

shinerbock · #8 11-17-2006, 03:49 PM

FSU: History, tradition, well dressed, well mannered students...filled with students from conservative "old money" families...values such as patriotism, faith, family...a general lack of vodka and prevalence of bourbon...substantially less hair gel and import cars than the rest of the nation...pearl-wearing girls...I'm sure theres more.

macallan25 · #9 11-17-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

I think this is arguable. Sorry, but bad chapters don't usually get large pledge classes, let alone the biggest on campus. I think your take on this example demonstrates that "top" is very subjective.

Yeah, bad chapters often do get huge pledge classes.....for the sake of increasing their numbers. This is called a blanket bid.....where they give everyone a bid that walks through their door. We usually have a very good idea about what guys we are taking way before formal rush even starts. Go to any top house in the South and I would bet you a good amount of money they already know who they are taking during the summer before the start of the year. Obviously some guys will come through during rush that are taken (out of state guys and such), but for the most part......it is already decided.

PeppyGPhiB · #10 11-17-2006, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

Yeah, bad chapters often do get huge pledge classes.....for the sake of increasing their numbers. This is called a blanket bid.....where they give everyone a bid that walks through their door.

OK, I'll concede that this does happen with fraternities where numbers may be an issue, but what about large(r) chapters?

I was also directing my comments at sororities, which do not usually end up with large pledge classes after formal rush if they're a weak chapter. They may COB later, but the biggest pledge class on campus is not the hallmark of a bad chapter.

sdsuchelle · #11 11-17-2006, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I will straight up tell you that we could not have black members and be a top chapter. There is no possible way. In majority white campuses (especially Southern), blacks would scare away the girls. Look at the bottom tier at the campus. The (in my opinion) worst chapters on campus include blacks Sigma Nu, Sig Ep, and Pike. That is third tier. Every one of them has one to two black members. There are no blacks in the 2nd tier and above. Therefore, I will tell you as a studied fact/opinion that there is no way a black person could be taken and continue being a top tier fraternity.

That really depresses me. At my school, it seems that all of the IFC fraternities have at least a few black members.

There isn't a large black community on my campus, but from the black men I've known, they just felt more comfortable joining a multicultural or historically black fraternity. Like, they didn't even consider trying to rush IFC. I don't think that SDSU is a racist school at all, and most of the IFC members would be totally cool with a black member and treat them like any other rush candidate.

macallan25 · #12 11-17-2006, 12:40 PM

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That really depresses me. At my school, it seems that all of the IFC fraternities have at least a few black members.

There isn't a large black community on my campus, but from the black men I've known, they just felt more comfortable joining a multicultural or historically black fraternity. Like, they didn't even consider trying to rush IFC. I don't think that SDSU is a racist school at all, and most of the IFC members would be totally cool with a black member and treat them like any other rush candidate.

You also live in California.

Are you kidding me with the racist thing? Shit...are we know labeling schools as "racist" because their IFC fraternities don't have blacks??