2006 College Football

[kstar]

Originally Posted by macallan25

1.) Redneck can be spelled with a hyphen or without one. Thanks. Get a dictionary.
2.) Hyphenate is spelled H-Y-P-H-E-N-A-T-E. Again, get a dictionary.
3.) Central Oklahoma is the most tornado-prone area in the world, not only in terms of number of tornadoes(which exceeds 10 per 10,000 square miles), but also in terms of intensity.[6] (From The NOAA The National Climatic Data Center)
4.) Please don't compare the economy or wealth of Oklahoma to Texas.....there is nothing to compare.
5.) As of 2000, the population of Oklahoma was 3,450,654. As of 2003, there were 395,219 American Indians....the second highest in the US behind California.....pretty significant number if you ask me, considering there are around 30,000,000 less people living in Oklahoma.
6.) How in the hell is it racist for me to talk about the Indian population of a State? Don't be an idiot.
7.) I find it funny that you would sit here and critique my grammar when your entire response was almost totally devoid of capitalization, sentence structure, and punctuation.
8.) UT trumps OU in every way, shape, and form. The education is just fine.

I know how to spell hyphenate, it was a typo. You should know as you seem to make plenty, in addition to actual egregious errors.
There is actually much to compare when looking at the wealth and social strata of OK and Tex-ass... They are more similar than you would ever imagine. Look at cenus data if you don't believe me.
They aren't called INDIANS you moron, Indians are from India, Native Americans are the indigenous people of North America. Also, it is racist for you to include them in a list of things that are "bad" about OK.
I was listing errors, and as such, did not feel it necessary to write in complete sentences. Lists often don't contain complete sentences.
tu does not trump OU in every way... Let's see, Mack Brown sucks; the law school at tu has a 75% bar pass rate, while OU has a 95%; How many National Championships do you have again? We've had 4 BCS appearances, to tu's 2. We lead the nation in National Merit scholars, while you lead the nation in goat ropers.

[xo_kathy]

Originally Posted by kstar

They aren't called INDIANS you moron, Indians are from India, Native Americans are the indigenous people of North America.

Just a note - indigenous people of North America call themselves Indians. To clarify they will sometimes say American Indians, but Indians nonetheless. In fact, the American Indian Hetiage Foundation's website is www.indians.org.

Native American is just a pc term someone came up with a while ago.

[shinerbock]

I'm not sure if Arkansas can get in. Its like we were in 2004, if you start too low, it takes too long to get up. That being said, I think they're playing the best football of any one loss team. Back before Auburn played the worst game in their history saturday, there was the debate over who deserved to be first, Ark or AU. I thought that Arkansas was probably a better team than we were, but I could justify them being behind us simply because AU had wins over UF and LSU. So for the same reasons I can buy into the argument that Arky will get the credit when they beat LSU and UF. If they do that, however, I think it would be ridiculous for them to be denied. At that point, the would have beaten Tenn, LSU, UF and Auburn (and despite Auburn/Tenn looking rather pedistrian, a win over a 10-2 or 9-3 team is still a quality win), and I think that would be the most accomplished one loss record. Now, I don't know if they can do it with the system we have, but I think they deserve it if they can get through. The Ark team that played USC is obviously a completely different team now. I think they're heads above the mediocre play of the other one loss teams, but, my question is whether Nutt is really good enough to get the team to 12-1.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by xo_kathy

Just a note - indigenous people of North America call themselves Indians. To clarify they will sometimes say American Indians, but Indians nonetheless. In fact, the American Indian Hetiage Foundation's website is www.indians.org.

Native American is just a pc term someone came up with a while ago.

Many of the tribes around here prefer the term Native American. They use it on their literature.

My friends and family that have tribal affiliations use the term Native American. OK even uses the term in their tourism literature.

Most Native Americans that I know take great offense to being called an "Indian," and the few Indians I know also don't like the term being used to refer to Native Americans.

[xo_kathy]

Originally Posted by kstar

Many of the tribes around here prefer the term Native American. They use it on their literature.

My friends and family that have tribal affiliations use the term Native American. OK even uses the term in their tourism literature.

Most Native Americans that I know take great offense to being called an "Indian," and the few Indians I know also don't like the term being used to refer to Native Americans.

Well, all my family and friends with tribal affiliations call themselves "Indians" or "Natives" - not Native Americans. Mostly because they were here first, so they are not native to America - they are native to this land (their land). And the literature? If you're trying to get in some tourism dollars, you'll put whatever you think gets people interested.

And Indians from India?! They don't even speak English so why would they care about an English word being used in America? And if you are referring to immigrants, well that's just dumb. It's an English term for the first peoples in this land, and it was used long before people from India started coming here I'm sure.

/hijack

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by kstar

Most Native Americans that I know take great offense to being called an "Indian," and the few Indians I know also don't like the term being used to refer to Native Americans.

And tribal members that I know use "Indian," "American Indian" or perhaps, when speaking of all American Indians as a group, "native" or "indigenous people" -- or they get specific and say "Cherokee" or the like. So this proves . . . ?

BTW, been to the National Museum of the American Indian lately?

When in doubt, one can always consult that omniscient source, The Wiki:

The term Native American was originally introduced in the United States by anthropologists as a more accurate term for the indigenous people of the Americas, as distinguished from the people of India. Because of the widespread acceptance of this newer term in and outside of academic circles, some people believe that Indians was outdated or offensive. People from India (and their descendants) who are citizens of the United States are known as Indian Americans.

However, some American Indians have misgivings about the term Native American. Russell Means, a famous American Indian activist, opposes the term Native American because he believes it was imposed by the government without the consent of American Indians. Furthermore, some American Indians question the term Native American because, they argue, it serves to ease the conscience of "white America" with regard to past injustices done to American Indians by effectively eliminating "Indians" from the present. Still others (both Indians and non-Indians) argue that Native American is problematic because "native of" literally means "born in," so any person born in the Americas could be considered "native". However, very often the compound "Native American" will be capitalized in order to differentiate this intended meaning from others. Likewise, "native" (small 'n') can be further qualified by formulations such as "native-born" when the intended meaning is only to indicate place of birth or origin.

A 1996 survey revealed that more American Indians in the United States still preferred American Indian to Native American. Nonetheless, most American Indians are comfortable with Indian, American Indian, and Native American, and the terms are now used interchangeably. The continued usage of the traditional term is reflected in the name chosen for the National Museum of the American Indian, which opened in 2004 in Washington, D.C..

Recently, the U.S. Census introduced the "Asian Indian" category to more accurately sample the Indian American population.

Don't hurt yourself getting off that high horse.

[xo_kathy]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Don't hurt yourself getting off that high horse.

ha ha ha ha ha

Sorry, but that was funny!

Thanks for the info (as always), MysticCat!

[Kevin]

Guys, this is a college football thread. I don't see how the potential offensiveness of this term has much to do with anything in this thread unless you want to talk about the NCAA's stance on indian/native american mascots which is ridiculous. A local D-II school just played their last game as the "Redmen" which they had been called for 81 years. The funny thing is that the school is in the same town as the Cherokee Nation's capitol, and it was the NCAA, not the Cherokee nation which forced/asked for this change.

The unfortunate Native American mascots out of football movement began in earnest in Oklahoma as they did away with the "Little Red" mascot. Little Red was usually a native American/indian student who dressed up in full indian regalia and performed a lot of native american/indian dances and such to cheer on the football team -- a pretty cool tradition IMHO, a lot better than the wagon. My brother used to date the daughter of a former Little Red, and my father was good friends with another in law school.

[valkyrie]

Originally Posted by kstar

tu does not trump OU in every way... Let's see, Mack Brown sucks; the law school at tu has a 75% bar pass rate, while OU has a 95%; How many National Championships do you have again? We've had 4 BCS appearances, to tu's 2. We lead the nation in National Merit scholars, while you lead the nation in goat ropers.

Quoting one example among many -- this my school/state/conference is better than your school/state/conference is one of the lamest forms of penis measuring to ever exist.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by kstar

I know how to spell hyphenate, it was a typo. You should know as you seem to make plenty, in addition to actual egregious errors.
There is actually much to compare when looking at the wealth and social strata of OK and Tex-ass... They are more similar than you would ever imagine. Look at cenus data if you don't believe me.
They aren't called INDIANS you moron, Indians are from India, Native Americans are the indigenous people of North America. Also, it is racist for you to include them in a list of things that are "bad" about OK.
I was listing errors, and as such, did not feel it necessary to write in complete sentences. Lists often don't contain complete sentences.
tu does not trump OU in every way... Let's see, Mack Brown sucks; the law school at tu has a 75% bar pass rate, while OU has a 95%; How many National Championships do you have again? We've had 4 BCS appearances, to tu's 2. We lead the nation in National Merit scholars, while you lead the nation in goat ropers.

Please tell me how Oklahoma and Texas are "very similar" on a wealth, economic, and social strata. I am shocked that you would even write this.

They actually do refer to themselves quite often as Indians, American Indians, etc. Native American is a PC, made up term.

I'm sorry, but if you think OU Law is anywhere close to UT....you are out of your mind.
The University of Texas Law School is ranked number 16 in the country (for all schools) by USNEWS and one of the "toughest to get into" by The Princeton Review. You are a moron if you are going to try to compare the two. The avg. LSAT scrore for a UT law student is 166 with a 3.63 undergrad GPA. It has an 18.7% acceptance rate and the avg. UT law grad makes $88,885 for their starting salary. First time pass rate for the bar is 90%...I don't know where you got 75%. I would know though, I have already applied here.

Oklahoma is ranked 80th by USNews. The avg LSAT is a 154 and the avg. undergrad GPA is a 3.5. The acceptance rate is close to 27% and the avg. starting salary for an OU law grad is $58,398. Oklahoma Law is about on par with Texas Tech.....not bad at all, but not spectacular.

As far as the freshman National Merit Scholars per school, actually Harvard leads the nation. The University of Kansas and the University of Florida release these statistics every year...so here they are:

2006:http://www.news.ku.edu/2006/march/7/merit.shtml
Harvard University tops the national list with 287 freshman National Merit scholars. The University of Texas-Austin follows with 262, the largest number among public universities. KU ranks 29th among all universities.

2005: http://www.napa.ufl.edu/2005news/meritschol05.htm
1. Harvard University -- 312
2. University of Florida -- 259
3. University of Texas -- 242
4. Yale University -- 224
5. Stanford University -- 217
6. University of Chicago -- 198
7. Washington University at St. Louis -- 197
8. Princeton University -- 192
9. University of Southern California -- 183
10. University of Oklahoma -- 170


Mack Brown sucks...alright:
-Coaches With Active Win Streak of atleast 16 consecutive win streaks: 1. Bobby Bowden 2. Mack Brown
-Coaches with atleast 14 straight Bowl appearances: 1. Bobby Bowden 2. Mack Brown
-Winningest Coaches last 10 years: 1. Mack Brown 103-22
-Best Record since 1990: 1.Bobby Bowden 2.Mack Brown
-By Winning Percentage since 1990: 1.Bobby Bowden 2.Phil Fulmer 3.Mack Brown
- And if you want to compare Stoops to Brown.....I am fairly certain Mack has more wins at Texas from the point when Stoops took over OU. (83-17 to 81-18) Bob Stoops is not nearly as good without his brother.....and everyone knows it.

[shinerbock]

TSteven...I don't really think Texas has much of a shot anymore.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

TSteven...I don't really think Texas has much of a shot anymore.

Yeah, no one down here is saying anything anymore about a Title defense. We are all gearing up for the Fiesta Bowl......hopefully.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

TSteven...I don't really think Texas has much of a shot anymore.

I agree. But it isn't out of the realm of possibility.

For Texas to make it back they would need Southern California, Arkansas, Notre Dame, Florida and Rutgers all to go down to defeat at least once more. Those teams would then be on a down swing with two or more losses each. On the other hand, Texas would have wins against Texas A&M in the regular season and then Nebraska in the Big XII Championship. The sports writers might view the Horns on an upswing.

Bottom line is that Southern California controls its own destiny. If USC wins out, the sports writers and computer polls will most likely end up ranking USC number two.

[DeltAlum]

Two things regarding National Merit Scholars at Oklahoma:

"Public" university.

"Per Capita"

http://go2.ou.edu/national_scholars/

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Guys, this is a college football thread.

Aww c'mon. Just a little highjack, please?

Seriously, I doubt it would have taken this turn if one poster hadn't felt the need to pontificate: They aren't called INDIANS you moron, Indians are from India, Native Americans are the indigenous people of North America. Sorry, but that kind of self-righteousness just can't go ignored.

I don't see how the potential offensiveness of this term has much to do with anything in this thread unless you want to talk about the NCAA's stance on indian/native american mascots which is ridiculous.

Completely agree on the NCAA's forced political correctness.

Just one more detour, and then I'll stop, I promise:

Originally Posted by kstar

Also, ya'll has an apostrophe.

Yes, it does, and it goes before the a, not after it.



Okay, I feel better -- back to football.

I'll be interested to see what Butch Davis will do at Carolina.