Senator Barak Obama may run for president

[shinerbock]

I wasn't trying to start anything, just making a joke. That being said, I don't think theres much difference, except that one sounds slightly more stupid than the other...

[Phasad1913]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I wasn't trying to start anything, just making a joke. That being said, I don't think theres much difference, except that one sounds slightly more stupid than the other...

What's so stupid about the phrase "my baby's daddy"? If I had a child and for some reason was talking about its father, I would refer to him as my baby's dad or daddy if I wanted to, whether I was married to him, which I would be, or not. I realize the phrase in both it's "stupid" forms, as you call them, have been associated with black people and the phenomenon we're experiencing of out-of-wedlock child births, but that does not automatically render the use of the phrase or the phrase itself stupid. I also realize that this is yet another one of your statements that reflect your prejudice against all things pertaining to us. I don't want to hear your fake attempts to refute my statement either because you do, in fact, PRE-JUDGE black people all the time on this board and I am pretty much certain you do even more in real life. I guess you would prefer that people refer to guys in this type of situation as "my child's father" although I doubt it would even be an issue in your particular eyes if the phrase had been coined by whites.

I expected thes types of statements from you and your twin macallan. Good job.

[shinerbock]

Right, we're racist. If white people said it, it would still sound stupid. Obviously, you're so blinded by skin color allegiance that you automatically deem people racist simply for terming a stupid statement as stupid. Here, add this to it, most rap songs= stupid...I know, racist.
If she wanted to reflect the fact that he was a father, how about "Your new senator, a great husband and father, Barack Obama!" I don't think this is a race thing, its a stereotype thing. Its something that is generally said by black mothers about the father of their child (who isn't her husband), and those women often aren't what black people want to portray on a national stage. There were a couple of black friends of mine there while we watched it happen, and they both cringed. If my white senator got up and said something like "well yall, shucks, its mighty fine to be representin yall up there in big ole Washington D.C." I'd cringe. Maybe literacy isn't your greatest skill, but you might wanna go back and read what I've said about Obama the last couple of pages. Oh wait, I probably only mention the good things because he's part white right? On a side note, you're a moron.

[Phasad1913]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Right, we're racist. If white people said it, it would still sound stupid. Obviously, you're so blinded by skin color allegiance that you automatically deem people racist simply for terming a stupid statement as stupid. Here, add this to it, most rap songs= stupid...I know, racist.
If she wanted to reflect the fact that he was a father, how about "Your new senator, a great husband and father, Barack Obama!" I don't think this is a race thing, its a stereotype thing. Its something that is generally said by black mothers about the father of their child (who isn't her husband), and those women often aren't what black people want to portray on a national stage. There were a couple of black friends of mine there while we watched it happen, and they both cringed. If my white senator got up and said something like "well yall, shucks, its mighty fine to be representin yall up there in big ole Washington D.C." I'd cringe. Maybe literacy isn't your greatest skill, but you might wanna go back and read what I've said about Obama the last couple of pages. Oh wait, I probably only mention the good things because he's part white right? On a side note, you're a moron.

You can call me whatever names you want. Doesn't surprise me. I am going off of your history here in GC. I could care less about your rant. You haven't told me anything i don't already know. I cringed too when I heard her say that. All you did was repeat what I said. LOL.

I think you're the one with the literacy problem, bucko, since you totally failed to comprehend my post. That's a shame, especially since you're so prejudiced, which is what I said, against everyone else.

Oh and by the way, I won't stoop to your level and call you a name, but I will say that you obviously have your typical blinders on when it comes to what mothers say what. I hear many more white mothers calling their kids fathers their "baby's daddy's" nowadays than black. Furthermore, I can make a statement based on my personal opinion without being "blinded by color allegience". That was hilarious, especially coming from someone like you. You don't know me or anything about me so don't try to tell me about what you perceive to be a color allegience. IF we HAD been talking about a white senator making such a statement, I would be willing to bet money that you would have been on the defending side rather than calling him stupid. It;s always easier to say you would say something in the hypothetical when you are making a sad (and losing) attempt to remove yourself from the category of prejudiced. You are what you are and you make WHO and WHAT you are clear everytime you click the submit button. Don't get mad at me for calling a spade a spade.

You make no sense whatsoever. I think most rap songs are stupid too, so how does that fit into your "color allegience" theory? You need to go sit in a corner and think about the things you say before you get yourself into even more of a theoretical and ideological blunder.

Bottom line is Mrs. Obama could have said what she said million different ways. She chose to say it the way that she did. YOUR perception of what she said is what is called into issue here. YOUR perception that is is stupid is very telling and there is no argument against that. You are not the first person to think the way that you do and since I have seen, heard and dealt with many people like yourself, I can recognize prejudicial personalities and statements pretty clearly. I am not in any way deficient or a "moron" simply because I make a note of the fact that someone, in the same way that many white americans do and have always done, takes a phenomenon associated with black americans and automatically cast a negative point of view with it, divorcing the act within the phenomenon from the causes or social implications of it or the variations of points of view on the act within the black community itself. You simply place your prejudicial notions on it and dismiss it. That is not right and if you don't like people opining on your prejudice, you can either change or ignore the opinions. I am sure you would rather ignore the opinions than change and that's fine with me.

I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this. I don't care anymore about you or what you think on the matter.

[shinerbock]

Saying "I know people who say things like you, and they're racist" is not a valid argument. The simple fact is that you don't agree with what I have to say, and choose to play the race card. Its sad to see, but its common. If more white women say "my baby's daddy" than black women, so be it, its still stupid. I would change my ways, as you so brilliantly mentioned, but I'm generally a fan of truth, so I'm not likely to favor fiction over reality. I imagine you don't care to hear more about my views or this topic, considering that you've already pulled out the "you're prejudiced" card, which is generally the last attack of people without a legitimate argument. If you come up with anything else, however, let me know and I'll be glad to discuss it if your rationality returns*.

*Based on the assumption it existed to begin with.

[Phasad1913]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Saying "I know people who say things like you, and they're racist" is not a valid argument. The simple fact is that you don't agree with what I have to say, and choose to play the race card. Its sad to see, but its common. If more white women say "my baby's daddy" than black women, so be it, its still stupid. I would change my ways, as you so brilliantly mentioned, but I'm generally a fan of truth, so I'm not likely to favor fiction over reality. I imagine you don't care to hear more about my views or this topic, considering that you've already pulled out the "you're prejudiced" card, which is generally the last attack of people without a legitimate argument. If you come up with anything else, however, let me know and I'll be glad to discuss it if your rationality returns*.

*Based on the assumption it existed to begin with.

I stopped reading after your first sentence. I never said racist, once again. I'm not waisting my time with someone who insists on misrepresenting what I've said. You either are dumb or you just like arguing with people who do call others racist...whether the categorization is valid or not. In either case, it's not my concern as I haven't even deemed you a racist. I'll leave you to your argument with the arbitrary entity that you want to fight this out with because you refuse to address what I HAVE said.

[shinerbock]

That I'm prejudiced? Against whom? Pray tell, you may be right.

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by Phasad1913

I stopped reading after your first sentence. I never said racist, once again. I'm not waisting my time with someone who insists on misrepresenting what I've said. You either are dumb or you just like arguing with people who do call others racist...whether the categorization is valid or not. In either case, it's not my concern as I haven't even deemed you a racist. I'll leave you to your argument with the arbitrary entity that you want to fight this out with because you refuse to address what I HAVE said.

If you're still responding you're still here reading.

For the record, 'my baby's daddy' sounds stupid no matter who says it.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Here, add this to it, most rap songs= stupid...I know, racist.

Shockingly I whole-heartedly agree with the above... but I also feel that way about Country & Western and Dance music...

If she wanted to reflect the fact that he was a father, how about "Your new senator, a great husband and father, Barack Obama!" I don't think this is a race thing, its a stereotype thing. Its something that is generally said by black mothers about the father of their child (who isn't her husband), and those women often aren't what black people want to portray on a national stage. There were a couple of black friends of mine there while we watched it happen, and they both cringed. If my white senator got up and said something like "well yall, shucks, its mighty fine to be representin yall up there in big ole Washington D.C." I'd cringe. Maybe literacy isn't your greatest skill, but you might wanna go back and read what I've said about Obama the last couple of pages. Oh wait, I probably only mention the good things because he's part white right? On a side note, you're a moron.

Sorry but your both coming across as morons - reading more into a simple statement because of your (both of you) fixation on "race" as a somehow all-defining characteristic. It's actually quite sad to see both of you twisting an innocent statement around until it fits into your racially defined worlds...

Get over it - just let it go - Damn, so much talk over an innocent statement... a statement that I thought was pretty common coming from the mother of a baby/young kid - you know on that overly-cute, lovey-dovey sorta way, that "new" parents have (or at least until the kid hits 10 or so).

Why not get back to actually debating his qualifications and how they relate to any presidential asspirations he might have?

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by RACooper

Why not get back to actually debating his qualifications and how they relate to any presidential asspirations he might have?

I think this conversation is a great illustration of how qualifications to perform the job of President generally come secondary to other concerns - and it's kind of a shitshow, just like this thread.

[shinerbock]

RA, I'd read your comments, but I'm trying to avoid having a seizure.

[Rudey]

The only way Obama's presidential dreams could become more difficult to obtain would be if he turned into a black lesbian with no political experience or support.

People just want to talk. Nobody would take this seriously.

-Rudey

[Drolefille]

Except for all the people that DO take it seriously...

/don't know if I'm still on ignore to him though

[RU OX Alum]

if you don't vote for me, terrorists will kill rock and roll