Escondido, CA: Law stops renting to illegal immigrants

[Kevin]

I really have no problem with this.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I really have no problem with this.

Me neither - no problem with this at all.

[DeltAlum]

Since Hispanics are our biggest miniroty, whether this is aimed at them or not, it will have a bigger overall effect on them as a group.

If enforced fairly, though, it will affect any undocumented person.

I guess the way I look at the whole situation is that "illegal" means just that and laws should be enforced. If a law is unfair (any law), get it changed. I know that's not easy, but the option is the kind of chaos that is present in our immigration system today.

People who are going through the process of attaining citizenship or getting the prescribed documents to live and/or work here are not "illegal," only the sometimes victims of what may be a difficult system.

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

Since Hispanics are our biggest miniroty, whether this is aimed at them or not, it will have a bigger overall effect on them as a group.

If enforced fairly, though, it will affect any undocumented person.

I guess the way I look at the whole situation is that "illegal" means just that and laws should be enforced. If a law is unfair (any law), get it changed. I know that's not easy, but the option is the kind of chaos that is present in our immigration system today.

People who are going through the process of attaining citizenship or getting the prescribed documents to live and/or work here are not "illegal," only the sometimes victims of what may be a difficult system.

It really does make me sad that a lot of illegal immigrants move here to better their life, and they really try. It's easy to say 'send them all back!' when you don't know what they'd be going back to.
The illegals that piss me off are the ones who don't work, who take advantage of the system and basically churn out babies while draining the government.
I'm legal and it's still really hard to get my citizenship. I'm aiming to get it before 2008 so I can help vote this administration out.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by centaur532

I'm aiming to get it before 2008 so I can help vote this administration out.

This administration will be out in January 2009 regardless of the 2008 election.

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

This administration will be out in January 2009 regardless of the 2008 election.

I misworded my post. What I meant was, so that I vote in someone who had NOTHING in common with this administration. Different policies etc.

[tunatartare]

Originally Posted by centaur532

I'm legal and it's still really hard to get my citizenship. I'm aiming to get it before 2008 so I can help vote this administration out.

My parents got lucky when they got theirs because it was a major election year so they expedited everyone's oaperwork so that they could all become citizens and register to vote.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by centaur532

It really does make me sad that a lot of illegal immigrants move here to better their life, and they really try. It's easy to say 'send them all back!' when you don't know what they'd be going back to.

This is true, but "SEND THEM BACK THEY TOOK ERR JUBS DERB" isn't really the issue - it's really more that enforcement of immigration laws is incredibly difficult, and so 'alternate' methods like housing regulations, etc are about the only way to make any changes short of blowing up the entire system (which I would be in favor of, but slow change is probably the better motif here).

[_Opi_]

"Councilman Sam Abed, who supported the measure, said it will improve the city's image and reputation, "and certainly our quality of life.""

This statement really bothered me. I thought they were taking a firm stance against Illegal immigrants because they are here illegally.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by centaur532

It really does make me sad that a lot of illegal immigrants move here to better their life, and they really try. It's easy to say 'send them all back!' when you don't know what they'd be going back to.
The illegals that piss me off are the ones who don't work, who take advantage of the system and basically churn out babies while draining the government.
I'm legal and it's still really hard to get my citizenship. I'm aiming to get it before 2008 so I can help vote this administration out.

Too bad. Their problems are not my problems. Well.. they're not my problems until these people move here seeking a better life, a welfare check, free medical care, clogging our criminal justice system, etc.

An illegal alien is an illegal alien. If they're so much as driving on my state's roads without paying the appropriate taxes, they are creating more problems than they're solving. Cheap labor is not that huge of a benefit considering what it costs society in the long run.

[_Opi_]

Originally Posted by Kevin

An illegal alien is an illegal alien. If they're so much as driving on my state's roads without paying the appropriate taxes, they are creating more problems than they're solving.

I wonder if the Native Americans felt this way when the illegal "aliens" came, robbed them of their land, cleansed them out, and forced the rest into reservation [camps]. hmmmm.

I digress.

[valkyrie]

Can anybody provide a compelling reason why landlords should have a role in enforcing U.S. immigration laws? RC kind of touched on this, but I'm not convinced. Isn't this a case of the government being too lazy/incompetent to do its job and enforce its laws -- or, in the alternative, a futile attempt to do the impossible?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by _Opi_

I wonder if the Native Americans felt this way when the illegal "aliens" came, robbed them of their land, cleansed them out, and forced the rest into reservation [camps]. hmmmm.

I digress.

Well, we had more guns. We won that war, they signed away their lands, etc. Stronger, better armed civilizations have had a history of pushing the weaker guys around... so what? By such an "illegal" standard, all of us non-N.A.'s are invaders and we should just pack our bags and head back to whatever part of the world we came from.

That's all ridiculous of course, this couldn't happen. The United States is the rightful soveriegn over this land. If the Mexicans want to try and cleanse us out, they are free to try. If that's their aim we're not doing much to stop them.

Anything to slow down or stop this influx of illegals would be welcome and helpful. I really don't care about the Native Americans 100 years ago. I care about my own country right now.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by _Opi_

I wonder if the Native Americans felt this way when the illegal "aliens" came, robbed them of their land, cleansed them out, and forced the rest into reservation [camps]. hmmmm.

I digress.

Sure, the Native Americans weren't accustomed to having non-Native Americans around on a more constant basis. But, the Native Americans were also benefitting from the settlers' presence at one point (the new diseases not included).

If the settlers had settled peacefully and contributed positively without oppressing the Native Americans, there would be a different ending to the story. So when people use the "how do you think Native Americans felt" response, I wonder if they have really thought-out that retort. The Native Americans initially felt similarly to how Americans initially felt when the immigration rate was relatively low decades ago--"okay, new people that we're not used to...are they clean and will they harm us? Well...capitalism is benefitting so maybe we can milk this for all its worth...let's hope this doesn't get out of control though."

[KillarneyRose]

Originally Posted by _Opi_

I wonder if the Native Americans felt this way when the illegal "aliens" came, robbed them of their land, cleansed them out, and forced the rest into reservation [camps]. hmmmm.

The winner always gets to write the history. That's why so many believe the War Between the States was waged to end slavery.