Your thoughts on AI: discussion goes here.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

While GC is not official advertisement (i.e. you don't see a banner on the site that says "Interested in AI? Come here for all your AI needs!") it puts something out there that shouldn't be and it inadvertenly becomes the hub of AI information.

And I think that is the point that many people have tried to make here on several occasions.

GC is NOT an official source of information regarding AI or AI policies of any sorority. LIke you mentioned, it is one of the first things that comes up when you google AI. So naturally many average people will think that it is.

I'm not sure if you've read EE-BO's post just a few posts above yours, but I recommend reading it, or re-reading it if you haven't done so. She clearly states what so many of us have been trying to say.

Yes, I read it. But I disagree that the forum is equivalent to subverting GLO HQs wishes or a violation of the policy.

There is no reason that the IHQs of our GLOs need to find the AI forum inappropriate. The actions of the sorority members may be inappropriate but I think THAT is what should be modded, not questions asked. GC is not held to HQ standards, members are.

We should not as a message board be trying to appeal to HQs. To do so would be impossible. Imagine trying to hold everyone to the rules of every HQ. Impossible.

Those looking for a scientific and precise definition of AI and GLO policies on AI will never find it here- and for the exact same reasons I would never come on this board and post about my chapter's last rush and who we took or did not take, and why.

Anyone who posts here purporting to offer tips and secrets to make AI successful is offering false information. That person is not necessarily being intentionally misleading- they may just be sharing what worked for them- but the fact remains that it is information that lacks the value that it is implied to provide.

This is NOT the purpose of the AI forum. I agree that the tips and secrets as well as an exact definition is not what this forum is for. Though I've never seen anyone posting "quick tips to AI" or "the secrets of getting into the GLO of your choice." Advice such as "go dressier" or "contact people you know in the GLO, they'll know more" is none of the above.

I don't care whether the AI forum stays or goes but I do not believe that NPC AI is the equivalent to the D9's graduate intake and I don't think threads regarding it should be treated as such. I fail to see the problem with pointing people in a direction, even if they're going to get a big fat NO, or with wishing them good luck or sympathizing with long down times in the process. THAT is simply being nice. No matter what I may think of even the crazy PNAIs on this board, I hope they will all be happy because everyone should be happy. Things may not work out with regards to AI (and if they're crazy, they shouldn't) but hopefully they'll find something fulfilling to do. Even pointing people in the directions of other organizations (for example: PNAI wants to join a sorority, only familiar with the NPC ones, wants to join. User2582 recommends the list of non-collegiate sororities which may fit better with her needs.)

What I expect out of the AI forum (or AI threads outside of an AI forum if there isn't one): Information/Direction (non-MS), General Support, Discouragement. And yeah, the occasional crazy person (member or not) who starts a fight. That's where the mod should come in.

What I don't consider appropriate: Taking this particular discussion to those threads, Ritual information being provided, and sponsoring a woman via the internet. I'm sure there's more, but you get the point.

This isn't a "everyone has to be happy and yay" thing. It's an expectation of civility whether positive or negative.

/Not that my opinion matters much.

[texas*princess]

Please tell me again why the questions being asked shouldn't be modded?

I've read through many of the AI threads and most of the questions there are not along the lines of "what should I wear".

There are questions like the one I mentioned from an earlier AI thread: "ABC and DEF both called me back and told me that in order to AI, I need a sponser. How do I get a sponser if I don't know anyone in either of those sororities?"

Hello?

[ReachTheLimit]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

Please tell me again why the questions being asked shouldn't be modded?

I've read through many of the AI threads and most of the questions there are not along the lines of "what should I wear".

There are questions like the one I mentioned from an earlier AI thread: "ABC and DEF both called me back and told me that in order to AI, I need a sponser. How do I get a sponser if I don't know anyone in either of those sororities?"

Hello?

I don't see anything wrong with someone asking the question, some people just don't know.

Like when I heard back from the sorority that I am currently "in talks" with, I was told I needed a sponsor, BUT it was followed by, "I am forwarding your name to the local chapter president so she can get in touch with you to invite you to AA events so you can meet the ladies of XYZ".

However, if someone is sent a response or gets a phone call, and is told they need a sponsor, period, that is a sheer hint that they mean just that. That the sorority isn't up for making the introduction, and that is where the potential AI's membership quests is pretty much squashed.

I would think that would be clear and an honest answer.

[Tom Earp]

Amazing is it it not?

Seems some of the same things I said before doesnt it??

But it still wonders me when some get so upset about AI when it "may" and "will" become a fact of life.

KPL, I suggest that you delete your Sig. concerning Me!

While some want to make general statements about AI, it does happen with more frequency than some may want to admit, in giving the many who have on G C and then giving them a slap in the face is totally uncalled for.

For those who want and wish to try to do AI, I wish them the best of LUCK inspite of spome of the dead asses for a better words who pitch a Bitch about it!

Oh, especially those who have done AI and are so Anti AI!

Some and it is such a Hot Button, do not realize it, get used to it.

[adpiucf]

Tom, please cease your comments about AI. You have no idea what you're talking about and you clearly don't read other people's points-of-view to warrant a decent reply that has anything to do with the issues at hand. I don't understand why a fraternity alumnus is so obsessed with telling sorority women what their own organizations do and don't do.

[tinydancer]

I'm afraid I'll be sorry for getting into the middle of this:

Tom, I don't think it is that those of us who have done AI are now anti AI. I think many are against the way the information is spread, or the way incorrect information is being given.

That is all from me....

[Kevin]

This is officially the deadest horse on Greekchat since Gamma Chi.

[ReachTheLimit]

Originally Posted by tinydancer

I'm afraid I'll be sorry for getting into the middle of this:

Tom, I don't think it is that those of us who have done AI are now anti AI. I think many are against the way the information is spread, or the way incorrect information is being given.

That is all from me....

Tiny, I understand your point, but to me, there is already a ton of misinformation about sororities in general floating around on the internet. The way it's sometimes portrayed in the media and so forth.

GC isn't a part of NPC, and a sticky at the top of the AI Forum should clarify that, and it's already there that the best place to contact for information is the National.

I agree with all of that.

But, on the other hand, if someone wants to look up information on GC and it's wrong information, I don't feel sorry for the person that chooses to not follow directions. Some people are just going to insist on doing it their way.

I don't think it looks bad on the organization, at all. I mean, what are they going to say? Call National and say, "hey, I read on GC that _______ about AI was true, and you are telling me it's not?"

I'm sure they are going to get told that they can't control the content on other websites, and they should have contacted national to start with. They'll also be told, as is mentioned many times on this website, that it is not affiliated in any way with NPC or GLO.

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

Tiny, I understand your point, but to me, there is already a ton of misinformation about sororities in general floating around on the internet. The way it's sometimes portrayed in the media and so forth.

And last time I checked, the media normally doesn't cover membership stuff. Unless you count Alexandra Robbin's book which is 150% true.

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

Tiny, I understand your point, but to me, there is already a ton of misinformation about sororities in general floating around on the internet. The way it's sometimes portrayed in the media and so forth.

GC isn't a part of NPC, and a sticky at the top of the AI Forum should clarify that, and it's already there that the best place to contact for information is the National.

I agree with all of that.

But, on the other hand, if someone wants to look up information on GC and it's wrong information, I don't feel sorry for the person that chooses to not follow directions. Some people are just going to insist on doing it their way.

I don't think it looks bad on the organization, at all. I mean, what are they going to say? Call National and say, "hey, I read on GC that _______ about AI was true, and you are telling me it's not?"

I'm sure they are going to get told that they can't control the content on other websites, and they should have contacted national to start with. They'll also be told, as is mentioned many times on this website, that it is not affiliated in any way with NPC or GLO.

Your point is excellent, but look at it from this angle:

A sister is walking around in her letters (for the sake of argument, we know for a fact she is initiated and a member in good standing with her GLO), drinking alcohol, smoking, badmouthing other GLOs and spouting out ritual information.
This is the first time you have ever seen a member of this GLO, and you assume that everything she does is what her GLO stands for.
Now NHQ (or IHQ) cannot control what she does personally. They cannot be everywhere at once. What they can do is lay down boundaries for representing the GLO.
The rule of thumb is 'when in doubt, don't.'
NHQs and IHQs cannot control the content on this website. They can tell members to exercise extreme discretion. Following this logic, this forum should not exist. 'When in doubt, don't.'
Let's say Suzie XY says, 'AI with my sorority is a snap.' You have just heard of AI and you're excited to hear this. Then Jane XY says, 'no it's not, don't listen to Suzie XY.' Who do you believe? Who is correct? Would there be any confusion if the information wasn't on the internet in the first place?
No one's trying to prevent AI here. But getting information from GC is like citing wikipedia for your doctoral dissertation.

Did that make sense?

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Amazing is it it not?

Seems some of the same things I said before doesnt it??

But it still wonders me when some get so upset about AI when it "may" and "will" become a fact of life.

KPL, I suggest that you delete your Sig. concerning Me!

While some want to make general statements about AI, it does happen with more frequency than some may want to admit, in giving the many who have on G C and then giving them a slap in the face is totally uncalled for.

For those who want and wish to try to do AI, I wish them the best of LUCK inspite of spome of the dead asses for a better words who pitch a Bitch about it!

Oh, especially those who have done AI and are so Anti AI!

Some and it is such a Hot Button, do not realize it, get used to it.

Question: Do you mash your shift and enter key randomly while you type? I'm still trying to get to the bottom of your inability to articulate your point of view.
Tom you might have better luck pursuing a hair transplant than an alumni initiation. Rumour has it you're male and as such know nothing about sorority procedure, however you delude yourself into thinking otherwise.

[texas*princess]

seriously. put the bottle down.