Your thoughts on AI: discussion goes here.

[midwesterngirl]

Whether or not they want us to talk about it is irrelevant. It used to be public and now it isn't. To me that infers that the rules have changed and they are trying to reign it in and keep it under their control. No gray area there. Anyone who doesn't understand that is deliberately misunderstanding.


If we as members know someone who is fantastic and would make a great asset,AND WHO WAS ISSUED AN INVITATION TO JOIN AT OUR DESCRETION AND NOT THEIR INSISTANCE BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY ARE OWED IT BECAUSE THEY CAN BE, I am sure my HQ will be ecstatic and more than happy to share the appropriate information with them.

Frankly I don't understand your interest in fishing for other sororities AI policies. What possible difference would anyone's policy but Alpha Gamma Delta's make to you? If you know a fantastic woman, you aren't going to send her to another organization. If she is so stellar that you want to help her AI, you are going to want to keep her for yourself. So what is this desperate need that you have to know other organization policies? This is the sense of entitlement that I was referring to upthread. Just because you want to know doesn't make your business.

[UGAalum94]

I apologize if it seems like I was fishing for your group's policy about AI. What I'm trying to figure out is why some folks seem to think there exists a hard and fast rule about AI communication while others in the same group have never heard of such a policy.

I was trying to get a sense if any GLOs had specifically come out and said to the general membership "Don't give out any AI information at all online."

I don't really care what your group's rules about AI actually are.

[UGAalum94]

Here’s one of the things that’s troubling me about the whole “let’s get rid of the AI forum”:

Many of the folks so adamantly against AI info online have themselves advised people in the AI forum. And no, I’m not talking about people who went through the AI process themselves.

I’m talking about a group of people who seemed to turn against the AI forum at about the same time they were complaining that their insulting and rude posts were being deleted from the AI forum. It seems to me that rather than a genuine concern about AI info online, their interests comes out of “if I cannot be mean and control the AI conversations, I don’t think they should be allowed.” After many harsh, rude, and unhelpful posts all over GreekChat, they suddenly have become very concerned about how their groups look to others online.

I agree that AI should be a process directly by the groups rather than the PAI, but since the PAI can’t force their way into a real life group, allowing people to ask questions about the public parts of the process here doesn’t seem to do any harm.

Please understand that I’m not lumping all people who opposed the AI forum into the group that I have described above. I think anyone whose read GreekChat for more than a month could take a stab at who I mean.

[midwesterngirl]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Here’s one of the things that’s troubling me about the whole “let’s get rid of the AI forum”:

Many of the folks so adamantly against AI info online have themselves advised people in the AI forum. And no, I’m not talking about people who went through the AI process themselves.

I’m talking about a group of people who seemed to turn against the AI forum at about the same time they were complaining that their insulting and rude posts were being deleted from the AI forum. It seems to me that rather than a genuine concern about AI info online, their interests comes out of “if I cannot be mean and control the AI conversations, I don’t think they should be allowed.” After many harsh, rude, and unhelpful posts all over GreekChat, they suddenly have become very concerned about how their groups look to others online.

The AI forum has been out of hand for a good long time and has been a point of concern for at least a couple of years.

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

I agree that AI should be a process directly by the groups rather than the PAI, but since the PAI can’t force their way into a real life group, allowing people to ask questions about the public parts of the process here doesn’t seem to do any harm.

I think this is where we were misunderstanding one another. Now the correct question has been asked, I can give you an answer. The problems arose, when we had PAI's who did approach real life groups and basically tried to force their way into any group that would take them just to have letters, any letters. Instead of having their motives discretely questioned, they were blindly led to believe that their behavior and the motives for it were acceptable and that sort of look at me,banner waving was accepted as the norm. Any person on GC who questioned their motives was deemed "mean and unfriendly" and often worse. Since many of these " big meanies" were national officers whose opinions were being pushed aside for dishonest blanket sunshine, policies had to change and people started to just not be nice anymore.

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Please understand that I’m not lumping all people who opposed the AI forum into the group that I have described above. I think anyone whose read GreekChat for more than a month could take a stab at who I mean.

That isn't fair. Yes, many of us are very direct and on more than one occasion we probably have used a poor choice of words to express our feelings and concerns.However, there is a small minority who likes to stir up just as much trouble who scream persecution. The difference is that the meanies will admit to being mean but the other troublemakers won't.

[midwesterngirl]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

I apologize if it seems like I was fishing for your group's policy about AI. What I'm trying to figure out is why some folks seem to think there exists a hard and fast rule about AI communication while others in the same group have never heard of such a policy.

I was trying to get a sense if any GLOs had specifically come out and said to the general membership "Don't give out any AI information at all online."

I don't really care what your group's rules about actual AI are.

I think GC has evolved over its course. It has gotten enormous and taken on a life of its own. As it has gotten bigger more and more HQs felt the need to keep a closer eye on what was being said here. I know of at least 8 groups here who are represented by a poster who is or was a national officer and I think that is absolutely necessary. I think those of us who have been around for awhile and have seen what GC has done to the process, and it has affected it profoundly, are perhaps more aware of the changes that have been made and why. That might be why some may have heard of the policy and some may not know it was changed.

I don't think there are any hard and fast rules about what is online and what isn't. Other than we can infer that the changes made should be viewed as a decision as to what is best for our organization as a whole.

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by midwesterngirl

Whether or not they want us to talk about it is irrelevant. It used to be public and now it isn't. To me that infers that the rules have changed and they are trying to reign it in and keep it under their control. No gray area there. Anyone who doesn't understand that is deliberately misunderstanding.

Thank you Midwesterngirl!!!

Alphagam - if the information is not shared with the public in any form, why should it be on a random internet chatboard?

[Adelphean]

Help me understand.

Do those who are against an AI forum believe that we shouldn't have one because the general public should not know about AI? Or are you just tired of questions about AI? Or something else?....

If that is the reason should all the women on GC who are AIs NOT discuss that fact that they are AIs? Aren't we kinda taking away from their sisterhood if they can't discuss how they became a sister?

[UGAalum94]

Some groups do share some information publicly.

What was wrong with the idea of letting members of each group follow their own national policies again?

[UGAalum94]

Midwesterngirl, I have no doubt GreekChat could be a thorn in the side of the officers of any group for many reasons. I'm glad to hear national officers are on here and I'd hope they could keep a lid on any off-limit discussion.

I'm perhaps too sceptical of people making the claim that they represent the overall wishes of their group on GreekChat, especially when some of the most vocal say pretty much whatever they want to say.

I'd like someone to show me why it's appropriate to "assume" that if it's not on the official site, the topic is off-limits.

If I can google your group or my group and come up with document from your official group about AI, how can you make the case your GLO intends everything about AI to be secret?

Something else I'd like to see: could those of you who make the claim that AI threads have become train wrecks provide a few links for threads in which it wasn't one of your own anti-AI group who caused the wreck?

[midwesterngirl]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Midwesterngirl, I have no doubt GreekChat could be a thorn in the side of the officers of any group for many reasons. I'm glad to hear national officers are on here and I'd hope they could keep a lid on any off-limit discussion.

I'm perhaps too sceptical of people making the claim that they represent the overall wishes of their group on GreekChat, especially when some of the most vocal say pretty much whatever they want to say.

I'd like someone to show me why it's appropriate to "assume" that if it's not on the official site, the topic is off-limits.

If I can google your group or my group and come up with document from your official group about AI, how can you make the case your GLO intends everything about AI to be secret?

Something else I'd like to see: could those of you who make the claim that AI threads have become train wrecks provide a few links for threads in which it wasn't one of your own anti-AI group who caused the wreck?

The information used to be public and now it isn't. Our selection is now invitation only, no cold contact. I don't think that means that it is secret or off limits, it just means that more discretion needs to be maintained and GC sure as hell is not discrete in any way. By taking it to the private side of our websites, it allow our HQs to control what is out there because the information isn't so readily available. I think that is the point.

I don't know how many trainwreck threads are still available. Most of the threads have been deleted for very obvious reasons. Long term posters just rememeber them because they were highly unforgettable. Not to mention that individual organizations may have individual stories that members might share but prefer to keep between themselves. If you look through the Ai forum you might find a few of them. Beyond that, it is just the rocking chair memories of the GC oldsters.

[UGAalum94]

This is a serious, I mean, non-rhetorical, question:

Why would a national officer of a group have to address the case of a particular PAI online?

I can totally see why a national officer would need try to eliminate posts containing ritual, secrets, etc.

[UGAalum94]

I'm feeling self-conscious about the edit button lately.

When I look through the AI forum, I see a pretty even mix of general, seemingly harmless questions and answers, and particular women's AI stories.
I don't see terrible violations of group rules and violations of group secrets.

Once in a while, there's information from someone who seems a little crazy, but these people don't seem to claim any authority or expert level of opinion.

(I am NOT making an comparisions between the process of rush and AI here, but it seems to me that the recruitment forum, which is the main thing I read, has about the same ratio of oddball:average posts, and yet it seems that most people are cool with rush stories, or at least they aren't asking for the recruitment forum to be shut down.)

If the system that has been in place for moderation and deletion generally works, why would it be better to get rid of the whole thing?