Your thoughts on AI: discussion goes here.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by valkyrie

You're only speaking about AI information related to your organization and not others, right? Let's say that I do not want AI information related to my organization posted on GC. How would you answer the following questions:

Are our opinions enough? What if another AGD who posts here disagrees with you and thinks no AGD AI information should be posted on GC?

Should members of our respective organizations vote on the AI-GC issue? Who is qualified to render an opinion -- all members? AIs? Officers? Who makes that determination? If sorority XYZ decides it does not want any discussion of its AI process discussed on GC, who monitors that? The moderators of this forum, even if they're not members of XYZ? How is that appropriate?

Are these the questions you meant? If so, I thought I had answered them. I think that the moderators of the GLOs forums could, by following GLO policy, decide what stays or goes. I think I've always been clear that group policies should be honored and that group members best know what the policies are. BUT if no group policy exists, it's just a matter of personal preference, and for me, I'd always err on the side of allowing people to post what they want to.

If it's not a matter of GLO policy, then isn't a question of personal preference and opinion? Aren't opinions allowed to vary?

As much as some of us might like to stop people from embarassing themselves or their groups, unless there's a specific policy against what they are saying, I don't think you can.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

BUT if no group policy exists, it's just a matter of personal preference, and for me, I'd always err on the side of allowing people to post what they want to.

So if you're not sure if something in your GLO is Ritual, you'd rather err on the side of "well, I don't know if this is ritual, so I'll just tell my friend who's an XYZ anyway"?

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

So if you're not sure if something in your GLO is Ritual, you'd rather err on the side of "well, I don't know if this is ritual, so I'll just tell my friend who's an XYZ anyway"?

No! When something is ritual, it's ritual; it's not a matter of opinion. If you aren't sure, you shouldn't tell.

But in cases when it's not ritual, and there's no GLO policy about discussing the issue, then it don't think that some members of the group should limit other members of the group's discussion of the issue.

(In your example though, are you suggesting that two initiated members of the same group can't discuss ritual or things that might be ritual in person? I'm not sure exactly what you mean.)

[Tom Earp]

I have seen it posted many times that AIing is part of Ritual. Since when?

It is new recruitment process and has nothing to do with Ritual which is part of indoctranation in Initiation.

While it may not be what the undergraduates go thrhough, it is still a feeling process by Alums who are considering someone and that is all.




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adpiucf:


Tom, I simply don't understand what makes a grown man, a fraternity alumni, so passionate about the goings-on of a women's association. I'm sorry you weren't able to manage this forum when it was under your moderation. I think PT and carnation have been doing a very good job since they took it over, but the point remains that several members just don't want an AI forum and wish for our AI sisters to acclimate to their sororities by conducting their posts and stories within their sorority forums.

ETA: I in no way construe the above to be a violation of the TOS or a personal attack against Tom Earp. My stating that he was not able to moderate this forum previously is a matter of fact, and not opinion, or moderation of the forum would not have been turned over to another set of moderators. I hope it is not seen as a TOS violation. It was not intended as such.


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You may not understand why I post what I do but, it is my decission to isnt it.
It is not just about the she of the specie but the he also.

It is also about an open web site for Greeks. So, lets burn the books and then what?

The previous AI post was a much bigger proble
m than just understanding and I think John also realized this.


Now I am not sure what rock you have been hidding under, but the new Mods have also gotten flack about AI.

They are working very hard to keep it under control, but some seem to not want to allow them to do their Over Paid Jobs.

Can I relate, yes as I have told them many times and I feel for them.

If you and all of the rest want to talk about My Moderation feel free, but did I get much help? NO!

[chitownxo]

[QUOTE=Tom Earp;1334815]I have seen it posted many times that AIing is part of Ritual. Since when?
It is new recruitment process and has nothing to do with Ritual which is part of indoctranation in Initiation.

Tom, recruitment has ALWAYS been a part of ritual. In my organization, we do not discuss how we select our members. It is part of our shared ritual. Simply put, the recruitment party itself may not be considered ritual, the recruitment process (i.e. membership selection) certainly is. I will not tell non Chi Omegas how we select our undergraduate sisters; why would I tell someone how we select AIs?

[greekalum]

Apparently it's a "feeling process," chitownxo.

Thanks a lot for letting that one out of the bag, Tom. The real reason most NPC members don't want AI procedures posted here is because we choose AIs by groping them like melons.

[greeklawgirl]

[QUOTE=Tom Earp;1334815]I have seen it posted many times that AIing is part of Ritual. Since when?

It is new recruitment process and has nothing to do with Ritual which is part of indoctranation in Initiation.

While it may not be what the undergraduates go thrhough, it is still a feeling process by Alums who are considering someone and that is all.




Alumna Initiation is a form of membership selection. Membership Selection is ritual.

And, slightly off-topic, The Alpha Gamma Delta Quarterly is primarily for sisters, but sent to other members of the public as well. The article I posted in the Alpha Gamma Delta forum has some good information that I feel comfortable in having the public see. Information beyond that article--and whatever else Alpha Gamma Delta chooses to post on the website--may veer onto membership selection, and I will not have that discussion online or with anyone but a sister.

[UGAalum94]

Rush is also a form of membership selection. Do you hold that all aspects of rush are ritual as well?

Surely, there would be parts of membership selection (and therefore ritual) in both, but it doesn't follow that the entire process is ritual.

[greeklawgirl]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Rush is also a form of membership selection. Do you hold that all aspects of rush are ritual as well?

Surely, there would be parts of membership selection (and therefore ritual) in both, but it doesn't follow that the entire process is ritual.

The parties would not be membership selection. Setting up for them is not membership selection. Breaking them down is not membership selection. The process of how we decide who receives invitations and bids is membership selection.

The process by which we select our candidates for alumna initiation is membership selection. The Quarterly article states that, yes, we have alumna initiation, and alumnae and collegiate chapters should bring women that they think are outstanding candidates forward. But the process of how petitions are actually approved, and what our exact criteria for approval/denial of petitions is MEMBERSHIP SELECTION.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Rush is also a form of membership selection. Do you hold that all aspects of rush are ritual as well?

Surely, there would be parts of membership selection (and therefore ritual) in both, but it doesn't follow that the entire process is ritual.

Thank you. This sheds a new light on Recruitment whether it be Undergraduate or Alum.

I do not understand it from a Fraternity point of view, but it does help!

We as a Fraternity look at a pnm/pnai as a candidate and do not see any thing of a ritual until they are put through a PNM Ritual which can be either an open or closed.

When it comes to being inducted into said GLO, then it is toatally secret for them as fully Initiated members.

[lauralaylin]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Rush is also a form of membership selection. Do you hold that all aspects of rush are ritual as well?

Surely, there would be parts of membership selection (and therefore ritual) in both, but it doesn't follow that the entire process is ritual.

Your logic doesn't add up. Membership selection is a part of rush, but it's not the same thing as rush. That's like saying the nm program is the same as initiation. It is one small part, and one that we don't discuss with anyone else. AI is the same thing. If we do AI, we can say that, but we don't tell outsiders anything about how we choose our members for AI, just like we don't tell anyone how we choose our members as undergrads. I can't speak for any other groups, but I will not discuss anything about AI beyond the basic common knowledge stuff with anyone outside of Alpha Phi.

[ReachTheLimit]

I have seen, with great detail, the bid matching process during formal recruitment, discussed by many members of man of the sororities on GC. Details on different schools, what types of girls they are looking for, who they aren't, putting girls in touch with local alumnae so they can get recommendation letters, everything.

I don't see anything THAT detailed being discussed with AI at all, and I have read these boards very thoroughly.

They seem to be limited to such questions as, "Does XYZ have AI? I'm really interested in that GLO.", "Do I contact the national or local chapter?", "If I previously turned down a bid, does that matter with AI?", "I got a call/letter/e-mail/ we have set up a meeting."....that sort of thing.

I am not in a sorority, so I don't know what the initiation rituals look like, but I highly suspect that having conversations answering questions that I listed above wouldn't exactly be classified information.

I just don't see the harm in discussing in generalities.

I haven't been around that long, but considering there appears to be thousands of people on Greek Chat and only about a half-dozen who keep expressing an interest to shut the AI forum down, if your nationals truly don't want AI discussed on GC...wouldn't the best way to support this is just not post in the AI forum?

Just another .02

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit

I have seen, with great detail, the bid matching process during formal recruitment, discussed by many members of man of the sororities on GC. Details on different schools, what types of girls they are looking for, who they aren't, putting girls in touch with local alumnae so they can get recommendation letters, everything.

I don't see anything THAT detailed being discussed with AI at all, and I have read these boards very thoroughly.

They seem to be limited to such questions as, "Does XYZ have AI? I'm really interested in that GLO.", "Do I contact the national or local chapter?", "If I previously turned down a bid, does that matter with AI?", "I got a call/letter/e-mail/ we have set up a meeting."....that sort of thing.

I am not in a sorority, so I don't know what the initiation rituals look like, but I highly suspect that having conversations answering questions that I listed above wouldn't exactly be classified information.

I just don't see the harm in discussing in generalities.

I haven't been around that long, but considering there appears to be thousands of people on Greek Chat and only about a half-dozen who keep expressing an interest to shut the AI forum down, if your nationals truly don't want AI discussed on GC...wouldn't the best way to support this is just not post in the AI forum?

Just another .02

I think it has been mentioned before that RUSH and AI are two completely different things so to compare them is inaccurate.

Adpiucf made a wonderful point in some other thread that NPC sororities do not mainly recruit in the alumnae world. Recruitment is done at the collegiate level.

AI is not the "wave of the future" when it comes to recruitment - it is an exceptional circumstance in which a woman is offered membership because the alumnae organization pursued her due to outstanding community contributions/contributions to the professional world/contributions to the sorority.

It is one thing to tell a pnm where she can get recs, what is appropriate to wear, how NOT to behave, etc so that she can go into recruitment and find a mutual match in Sorority World. This information is not membership selection in any sorority. It's common sense. Don't go into Sorority Skit Night wearing a bikini and talking about how you slept with 65231265 guys in high school.

Furthermore, membership criteria is spelled out for pnms on most of the sororities websites or Greek Life websites. You can't have a 1.0 and expect to get invites from all the houses. You need to understand the financial implications of joining a sorority. You need to understand that a sorority will also take up some of your time. You need to understand that by joining a sorority, you will likely have to do philanthropic work. Once again, no membership selection top secret stuff here and this information is readily available on credible websites.

It is quite another thing to ask about the "requirements" of AI for sororities on an internet chat board, WHEN THAT INFORMATION IS NOT EVEN AVAILABLE ON THE HQ'S WEBSITES. I think that is the bit some people are just not getting.

If it's not on THEIR websites, why the hell should it be here? And who's the say the information posted by anonymous internet users is valid anyway?

It is nobody's business what my or other sorority's policies are on AI except OUR OWN.

And while there are thousands of registered users on GC, only a very tiny percentage of them even post on here to begin with. Most of the "regulars" are actually posting in this very thread