any "nice" conservatives out there?

[shinerbock]

You're right, Britney Spears is a detriment to marriage. However, historically marriage has always been between one man and one woman. Gay couples merely don't fit the requirement. So yes, they are "horn"ing their way in, seeing as they've not been included in marriage in the past. Granted, I don't expect you to really see this through conservative eyes, since homosexuality probably doesn't bother you. However, it does bother a lot of people, and they simply don't want their relationship with their spouse to have the same title as a relationship many believe to be wrong/sinful/whatever.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

You're right, Britney Spears is a detriment to marriage. However, historically marriage has always been between one man and one woman. Gay couples merely don't fit the requirement. So yes, they are "horn"ing their way in, seeing as they've not been included in marriage in the past. Granted, I don't expect you to really see this through conservative eyes, since homosexuality probably doesn't bother you. However, it does bother a lot of people, and they simply don't want their relationship with their spouse to have the same title as a relationship many believe to be wrong/sinful/whatever.

...eh... Historically marriage hasn't been between a man and a woman - historically you'd get marriages between a man and "gods/goddess", man and state, man and animal, man and man, even man and the dead... yes historically a Conventional Marriage has been between a male and female (not always "man" and "woman"), and thanks to the monotheistic faiths Monogamous Marriage and Conventional Marriage have become synonymous; however that isn’t the historic reality…

As for same-sex marriage, as long as it’s monogamous I don’t have a problem with – what I do have a problem with is the many decrying same-sex marriage as “un-biblical” or a “sinful” all while turning a blind eye to their acceptance of divorce… or more esoterically: intolerance, hate, and war – all of which are as great or greater sins according to the Bible… but hey that just me

[shinerbock]

Where is war listed as a sin in the Bible? Also, its really annoying that people attempt to say "well you should allow this sin because other sins are allowed." Great logic there. Reminds me of the whole "we're not going after Iran or N. Korea" argument. I don't think we're gonna be able to end divorce, but its a good idea. I don't believe in divorce. Also, please enlighten us to where the hierarchy of Biblical sins is, I haven't seen that part...
As for marriage, it traditionally has been between a man and a woman, theres no debate. The huge majority of marriages have consisted of a man and a woman.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Where is war listed as a sin in the Bible? Also, its really annoying that people attempt to say "well you should allow this sin because other sins are allowed." Great logic there. Reminds me of the whole "we're not going after Iran or N. Korea" argument. I don't think we're gonna be able to end divorce, but its a good idea. I don't believe in divorce. Also, please enlighten us to where the hierarchy of Biblical sins is, I haven't seen that part...
As for marriage, it traditionally has been between a man and a woman, theres no debate. The huge majority of marriages have consisted of a man and a woman.

Funny me... in War I assumed that killing would be involved, and last I checked killing is a big no-no according to the Bible... in fact, I think there might be a prohibition or commandment against it somewhere

Hierarchy of Sins? ummm... the Commandments come to mind as the big ones, while the others mentioned by the prophets and/or in the legal sections seem somewhat lesser: God's direct words and commands, verse those passed on through his prophets. Of course my Catholic theology breaks them up in to a much more layer heirarchy of sins... but that neither here nor there (though the philosphical/theological reasoning is pretty interesting).

Now as for marriage - yes there is a debate about the "traditional" make-up of a marriage - simply because the definition of marriage has changed and evolved through history: a legal/financial contract, a love-bond, a sexual/procreative agreement, and a spiritual joining - while at the present in Western society all of these are one and the same, with reference to the term marriage, one only has to look back a century and see seperate "marriages" in terms of definition.

[shinerbock]

Which is fine, but theres still not a debate about marriage traditionally being between a man and a woman. I just think its stupid that people say it is merely a modern change, when in reality its an enormous alteration to the very foundation of traditional marriage (Not saying you feel this way, just in general...).

As for sin hierarchy, I don't believe in it.

Regarding war, it might be a sin, who knows. I find it hard to believe God would condemn all war, but who is to say...It is one of many, many things in Christianity that I don't know, and I'm ok with that.