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09-19-2006, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by macallan25
I hear "you guys" down South all the time. Oh well.
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It's called "male-centered language" and is part of perpetuating a patriarchal and sexist society.
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09-19-2006, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
It's called "male-centered language" and is part of perpetuating a patriarchal and sexist society.
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Or it's because you have to default to something.
Is Spanish sexist because a group of girls plus even one guy is masculine?
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09-19-2006, 02:58 PM
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Dst, please wear a special shirt or something, so that I won't try and hold the door open for you.
on a side note, what school did you go to, PCU?
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09-19-2006, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by shinerbock
Dst, please wear a special shirt or something, so that I won't try and hold the door open for you.
on a side note, what school did you go to, PCU?
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I liked that movie.
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09-19-2006, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by shinerbock
Dst, please wear a special shirt or something, so that I won't try and hold the door open for you.
on a side note, what school did you go to, PCU?
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Whatever this means.
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09-19-2006, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille
Is Spanish sexist because a group of girls plus even one guy is masculine?
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Yes.
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09-19-2006, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
Yes.
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If there isn't a gender neutral term, using the masculine is automatically sexist? You have to use something! I'm sorry for the years of oppression you must have suffered being called "Los" or by people saying "hey you guys" (even to a group of girls)
That's not sexism...
/Neither is the word "woman"
//"Womyn" is stupid
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09-19-2006, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille
If there isn't a gender neutral term, using the masculine is automatically sexist?
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Yes.
Who determined that there had to be a gender neutral term? How did male become the default to the point where female is figuratively (and sometimes literally) invisible in society?
Oh, I get it--it's because Adam was a male and Eve came from his rib..........
Either case, going back and forth with you on this is the same as going back and forth with macallan if you also fail to see the social significance of it all.
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09-19-2006, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
Yes.
Who determined that there had to be a gender neutral term? How did male become the default to the point where female is figuratively (and sometimes literally) invisible in society?
Oh, I get it--it's because Adam was a male and Eve came from his rib..........
Either case, going back and forth with you on this is the same as going back and forth with macallan if you also fail to see the social significance of it all.
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Because without a gender neutral term you have to choose male or female. In English you can say "They" in Latin languages you have to say "They-female or "They-male"
Saying "you guys" is casual, NOT Sexist.
See sexism where it's hurting something. If women are "invisible in society" due to saying "You guys"... it is not the men's fault.
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09-19-2006, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille
Because without a gender neutral term you have to choose male or female.
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Good idea.
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09-19-2006, 04:11 PM
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See sexism where it's hurting something. If women are "invisible in society" due to saying "You guys"... it is not the men's fault.
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This part of your post is a very elementary way of thinking of our social world. But the people who will get my point have already gotten it. 
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09-19-2006, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
Who determined that there had to be a gender neutral term? How did male become the default to the point where female is figuratively (and sometimes literally) invisible in society?
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Someone about 2000 BC. If you want to go and try to change 4000 years of history and tradition, be my guess.
"Yo, all you its" - is that neutral enough for you?
/Also refraining from a SHIM reference.
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09-19-2006, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog
Someone about 2000 BC. If you want to go and try to change 4000 years of history and tradition, be my guess.
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Racism began before some of us were born. So what's your point?
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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog
"Yo, all you its" - is that neutral enough for you?
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I can think of much more educated options. But, thanks.
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09-19-2006, 05:00 PM
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It's called "male-centered language" and is part of perpetuating a patriarchal and sexist society.
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Sorry guys.
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09-19-2006, 05:29 PM
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Sorry guys.
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No problemo, chica.
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