liltrixx rush at UCF

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

I think it is very sisterly!

Let's say ABC's chapter at UF is one of ABC's most well-known chapters. Now, say that a legacy knew she probably would have a harder time getting in there at UF. Under your policy, she could take the easy way, go to a school where it's VERY easy to get into ABC. Then, after initiation, she could transfer to UF and become a member. Now, she has taken a slot that someone could have gotten that would help the original chapter build-up.

So, stronger chapters would stay strong while weaker chapters would possibly just get weaker as a result of losing sisters guaranteed a spot anywhere they wish to transfer.

Voting makes sense. Having a no-transfer policy also makes sense in these stronger chapters.

See, the people at the top make these decisions because they have thought all of this out.

It makes sense. Re-reading UCFAlumna's post about maintaining the integrity of the chapter, I don't see anything un-sisterly about it.

Are there other NPC chapters who have similar "no-transfers" rules?

[adpiucf]

Originally Posted by OTW

Are there other NPC chapters who have similar "no-transfers" rules?

I haven't heard of any ADPi chapters with this policy, but I know my own chapter took each transfer on a case-by-case basis. There were instances where we accepted a transfer from a less competitive chapter and declined another from a very competitive chapter. And vice-versa.

[KSUViolet06]

JUst a thought, the "no transfer" thing might be related to campus total and recruitment. They might wish to leave those spots open for taking new freshmen as opposed to sophomore and junior tranfers.

[FSUZeta]

i believe that the one time that a chapter can exceed total-besides formal recruitment-is when they have a member from another chapter affialiate into that chapter. it could be to the chapters advantage to get to know the sister, to see if they think she would fit in. so a transferring sister would not be taking up a slot someone else(other than another transfer) to fill. in fact, i do not believe that there is an npc limit to the number of transfers that a chapter could take.

[BamaDad DZ]

After following my daughter's recruitment thread, I had two mothers pm me to say they were transferring to other less competitive universities in terms of sorority recruitment just so their daughters could receive a bid to a national sorority.

In each case, the daughters pulled out of recruitment activities before preference day, apparently because they were released by their favorites along the way. I sypathized with them to some degree, but I guess sorority participation means quite a bit to those particular young ladies.

If you were a competetive varsity athlete, for example, you might transfer solely for the reason that you were not getting adequate playing time, didn't like the coach, the teams was not competetive, etc.

Who is to say that being a sorority sister is any less important to a young college freshman? If she transfers, gets a bid to XYZ, then resumes studies at her previous university, it also seems fair that she has to be examined for acceptance by the gaining sorority. I think its quite true that she may take a spot from an original pnm simply by her voluntary transfers between schools.

Just a thought from an innocent bystander....

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by BamaDad DZ

If you were a competetive varsity athlete, for example, you might transfer solely for the reason that you were not getting adequate playing time, didn't like the coach, the teams was not competetive, etc.

Who is to say that being a sorority sister is any less important to a young college freshman?

I would think it is more acceptable for someone to transfer to get into ANY sorority, but often girls transfer because they want the prestige that comes with a PARTICULAR sorority. I don't think anyone would transfer twice, like attend Alabama, get rejected from XYZ, transfer to East Bufu U and pledge XYZ where they are struggling with numbers, and then go back to Alabama to be in XYZ. I think most of the time it's women who attend East Bufu U and pledge XYZ, knowing that they really want XYZ at Alabama.

[OOhsoflyDELTA#9]

I know that there are major differences between NPHC and NPC but I never knew that your affliation was more about the chapter then the orgainization as a whole....I don't care if a soror pledged in a 3 member chapter at Hamburger U...if she loves and works hard for Delta, she gets nothing but love from me...I lurk these threads to learn the other side but this is really surprizing...BTW I'm NOT knocking it, just an observation....

[WhiteDaisy128]

Since DG is being spoken about, I'll throw in my two cents...

I do not know about specific chapters...but I do know that nationally, DG is pretty good about transfers. Now, if for some reason, a sister at one school just really doesn't fit in with the girls at another school, she does not have to affiliate, nor does the chapter have to "let her" (she can just go alumn). I have not heard of any chapters that just don't even look at the possibilities and frankly, if a chapter does that, it really turns me off. That's just not very sisterly at all and perhaps is something that we need to look at from the top down. I can see Jocelyn's thoughts about total/recruiting freshman though...so I don't know.

It shocks me to think that some girls would seriously look at pledging at one school, then transfering to a more competitive (Greek-wise) school just to affiliate with the chapter there...that just seems very egocentric and I think focusing on what is best for your education should come first...

[Denise_DPhiE]

In the 80s, there was a book about rushing and pledging - it was sort of the GC, full of information and misinformation! Anyhow, at competive SEC schools, women who did not get bid often went home and dropped out of school and this was before the first days of class! (they also drank Tab which, is making a comeback as an energy drink!)

Today, that does not happen nearly as much (even at UGA according to some inner circle people) - schools are way too competitive to get into in the first place and after applying to colleges and finally getting accepted, starting over at the application procees is a much more difficult endeavor not to mention the humilation of coming home after you've gone off to college and have nothint to do for at least a semester.

It was more common then for women to pledge at a less competive campuds and transfer later to a more competitive campus but today's women are much more career focused and even though they may have been "bred" for sorority life, they may have been coached to cast a wider net (instead of mom's legacy house and aunties's legacy house, they try for 5 of the campus' 15 groups.)

Whole thing still makes my head spin twenty years later!

[AnchorAlumna]

Originally Posted by WhiteDaisy128

It shocks me to think that some girls would seriously look at pledging at one school, then transfering to a more competitive (Greek-wise) school just to affiliate with the chapter there...

Shocking or not, some girls do. But they ought to check to see if their original desired chapter WILL affiliate. Many don't...not because they're snooty, but because they just don't have enough spaces to fill. Some (and I can think of at least one at U of Ala.) don't because quite a few women were trying that "back door" way to get into a top group.
And there's the BIG chance that a girl will pledge at one school, transfer and then find out that the new chapter is not at all to her liking. I would always advise a transfer to wait a semester...visit the chapter, and see if she'd really be happy there. If she did affiliate, she might not be happy and then have to resign. But if she waits and checks out the situation and finds she wouldn't be happy, then she can stay an alum, or go back to her chapter of initiation.

[lucky1870]

can a sorority ever go over total? I feel like theres a couple chapters at ucf over total.. but idk, maybe im not paying close enough attn at panhellenic.. lol

[adpiucf]

Yes. There are quite a few at UCF who are over total. When I was in school, total was set at 110 and we had close to 200 members at one point. That's what happens when you don't have a lot of members graduate and you have a large fall recruitment with a large quota of 60+ members. When I was in school we had 7-8 chapters. Expansion has been one way to bring those numbers down to a manageable level by spreading out the PNM's over more chapters. I believe total hasn't changed and most chapters are at or have exceeded total.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by OOhsoflyDELTA#9

I know that there are major differences between NPHC and NPC but I never knew that your affliation was more about the chapter then the orgainization as a whole....I don't care if a soror pledged in a 3 member chapter at Hamburger U...if she loves and works hard for Delta, she gets nothing but love from me...I lurk these threads to learn the other side but this is really surprizing...BTW I'm NOT knocking it, just an observation....

Ditto for SGR. As long as the member is in good standing then if she transfers to another school / chapter, she should be automatically accepted into the new chapter.

With SGR, and I'm sure with the other D9's as well, it is emphasized that you are part of the whole organization - not just one part of it. In SGR we stress that you are a member of the entire organization, not just a chapter.

[UGAalum94]

I want to throw out that I love Delta Gamma; it may be my second favorite group. Two of my cousins were Delta Gamma and several of my friends and favorite co-workers. I didn't want anyone to think I was being critical of Delta Gamma.

I suspect almost all NPC chapters vote on affiliate members. I don't have any problem with reviewing individuals in case there are "standards" issues. But in general, I personally think you ought to take sisters from your national group unless there is really a problem.

And since, as far as I know, affiliates don't "count" toward quota and chapters can exceed chapter total in accepting them them, they aren't really taking anyone else's spot. (Think this through with me. Imagine you do one big formal rush in the fall: your chapter gets quota every year, wouldn't it be at or over chapter total? You wouldn't be COBing. The only additional new members you would get would be would be through affiliation. How could it hurt? Additionally, imagine a chapter that doesn't make quota. They COB every year. Would they be harmed by an affiliate taking them one person closer to chapter total?)

Okay, I admit I think you'd have to be nuts to pick your college based the chances of pledging a particular group, but I also wonder how someone who loves the group that much could be a bad member. If you love ABC enough to spend a year at Backwater U, you probably aren't going to be a member in name only.

Liltrixx, sorry for highjacking your thread. You've always seemed pretty level-headed to me, and I never got the feeling that you wanted anything other than to join a nice group at your present college. Good luck and I hope things work out like you want them to.

[Ocalagirl]

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