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Old 09-04-2006, 03:22 PM
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This has been a situation that has been simmering for long time.

A butting of heads as it were.

The Greeks make asses of themselves, the School doesnt want to recognize them.

When a Chapter is De Chartered, the school buys the houses and either converts them or tears them down.

Many have come and gone, come back and gone again.

So, whose fault is it?

There is no meeting of the minds just grinding each other to see who will win.

Unfortunatly, we all know who loses in the long run.

Better to work together than lose and leave. The School will be there, it is the flag ship of Colorado isnt it?

Now if they go hidden/underground as it were and not activated to a club status of some kind, the school does not recognize them and Greeks cannot use School functions or be envolved as such. It becomes a lose, lose situation.

If some stop and think, all GLO's want to be on the Flag Ship State Schools and as EE-BO said Beta is not there. I would have to check and see if LXA is there again or not.
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Old 09-05-2006, 01:25 PM
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Here is an articel dated 7/14/2006 that is also an interesting read:
http://campusfundraiser.com/showuwir...71420061232960
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Old 09-05-2006, 11:20 PM
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Here is an articel dated 7/14/2006 that is also an interesting read:
http://campusfundraiser.com/showuwir...71420061232960
The '06 article is interesting. The University wants to impose restrictions on organizations it doesn't 'recognize.' Technically, as far as I know, these unrecognized organizations can do whatever the hell they want to do regardless of what the University's policy is.

The article seems to indicate compliance on the part of the IFC groups. Is there some sort of working understanding between this IFC group, the University, and the respective I/HQ's of these fraternities that the IFC will comply with reasonable terms placed upon them by the University?
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Old 09-06-2006, 12:21 AM
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I agree- good article.

Ktsnake- I would speculate the restrictions against on-campus recruitment by the University is an attempt to maintain the necessary legal separation for the University to avoid legal liability.

But I am glad they did realize it was going overboard to ban the wearing of letters on campus for move-in. That would be a scary precedent.
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Old 09-06-2006, 12:34 AM
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I agree- good article.

Ktsnake- I would speculate the restrictions against on-campus recruitment by the University is an attempt to maintain the necessary legal separation for the University to avoid legal liability.
Ironically, by the University asking for such a prohibition, and the organizations complying, the University might be laying out a case that might end up increasing their connection to the IFC groups, and therefore, the liability.

"Unrecognized" ought to mean that either there's no dialogue whatsoever, or that negotiations are underway to return to a position where there is an officially recognized link.

I tend to think that the later of the two is the truth. I can't imagine that the University would ask for and expect compliance from groups which it plans to have nothing to do with.
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Old 09-06-2006, 12:40 AM
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Ironically, by the University asking for such a prohibition, and the organizations complying, the University might be laying out a case that might end up increasing their connection to the IFC groups, and therefore, the liability.
Agree 100%.

It is difficult to know for sure since it is not something one can ever ask and get a definitive answer about, but I have a feeling this is exactly why U. Texas decided to re-involve itself in the IFC sometime in the 1990s and actually put things like formal dry rush into place (though it is just open house requirements- not an actual tour of houses in groups like we did at UGA) and take more aggressive steps to discipline chapters.

I think CU's connection with the IFC will be restored in future. I hope it is. I cannot see any benefit to the divide here- but I can see dark days ahead with more deaths and alcohol incidents.

For the sake of the CU Greek System, and us all, I hope the IFC is successful in reining things in on its own. I am just worried based on how this kind of approach (and to a lesser extent than what CU is doing) fared at Texas.
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Old 09-06-2006, 12:47 AM
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I think CU's connection with the IFC will be restored in future. I hope it is. I cannot see any benefit to the divide here- but I can see dark days ahead with more deaths and alcohol incidents.
It seems that way, or at least from what little I can see, it seems there is dialogue.

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For the sake of the CU Greek System, and us all, I hope the IFC is successful in reining things in on its own. I am just worried based on how this kind of approach (and to a lesser extent than what CU is doing) fared at Texas.
I think it should remind us all (well, at least those of us at public schools) what ultimate power we have. If the University persists with imposing unfair and unreasonable restrictions on our organizations, we do have the right to go out on our own. There are positives and negatives to this, but if the University leaves us with no choice, we absolutely should exercise that power.
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Old 09-06-2006, 11:42 AM
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The University wants to impose restrictions on organizations it doesn't 'recognize.' Technically, as far as I know, these unrecognized organizations can do whatever the hell they want to do regardless of what the University's policy is.
The way I read the article, the university bans any organization, recognized or not, from wearing letters or other identifying logos, etc. during move-in because of the short amount of time available to get new students in and settled.

I think that there also are some misunderstandings of what really happened last year.

As a point of clarification, the deferred rush was to second semester of Freshman Year.

First, the fraternities are not "independent," at least as I understand the term. The groups are still part of their national organizations, but are not officially recognized by the University of Colorado -- which makes them ineligible to use university facilities (buildings, rooms, etc.) for rush or any other functions. It may be that the ban is on free use as oppossed to total use -- I'm a little unclear on that. This includes IFC meetings, etc., so there is some financial burden. In addition, there can be no "official" recruitment on univeristy property.

An "arms length" situation toward GLO's at Boulder if far from new and goes back several administrations. The university has long taken a "hands off" attitude toward Greeks in the hopes that, given enough rope we will hang ourselves. We've come pretty close. I've written in other forums about the demise of our chapter at CU, and won't bother to do it again, except to say that we're probably not interested in recolonizing there.

After the Gordie Bailey death at CU, hard on the heels of the Samatha Spady death at Colorado State, the CU Administration apparantely felt that, for liability as well as other reasons, it had to step back in to do something about groups that were allegedly somewhat out of control -- and did so with a number of rules. The IFC, claiming financial damage would be caused by deferred rush and loss of housing revenue during the first semester of Freshman year, refused to abide by at least that rule. CU gave a deadline for compliance which IFC refused to meet, with the result being de-recognition of IFC if the rule wasn't met. IFC declined and the administration followed through with its policy/threat.

All of that is to say that the chapters themselves aren't "independent" as in being rouge chapters. Again, they are still recognized by their national organizations, and subject to their rules and guidance. The IFC, and thus the chapters arent' recognized by the univesity, though.

I believe that these new rules don't have much effect on sororities, since they were already basically in compliance before this all began.

A simple personal read between the lines on the latest article in which the CU administration decided to allow letters to be worn during move in would be more in line with President/Senator/Brother Hank Brown's feelings. When he was President at The University of Northern Colorado (UNC to those of us here), and I was an advisor there, he was a strong supporter of Greek Life -- including actually coming to Delt Rush functions (although he was very fair in terms of talking about fraternity life -- not just Delt). He also spoke to/at Delt Alumni Chapter functions.

I know that his Delt experience was positive, and that he was a leader on the University of Colorado campus (Student Body President, I think) during his undergraduate days. Besides Brown, that chapter spawned a Mercury Astronaut a pro football player or two, and many local and nationally known alumni.

Unfortunately, given the Spady and Bailey deaths, along with a couple other alcohol related deaths on Colorado campuses shortly after, Greeks have a huge black eye with a large number of state legislators, and I doubt that big changes in the relationship between Greek Letter Organizations and this major source of university funding will come anytime soon. Following those circumstances came the incident also mentioned above of the several women suffering from alcohol poisioning on the same weekend, which really heightened the situation. As I recall, there was also concern about date rape drugs -- but I don't believe those were ever proven. Many (or all -- I don't remember for sure) had attended the same fraternity parties.

The final result, I guess, is one that is not really comfortable for the university or Greek Life. As noted above, the IFC has been forced to impose, sometimes only temporarily, many of the administrations rules that it felt were so agregious.
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