An SEC rush

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Back in my day it was that way too, you could wear Pi Phi, Pi Beta Phi (written out) or the greek letters Pi and Phi but not all three greek letters together. However in current times, most chapters don't do that anymore as it could be seen as hazing. Of course, back then we waited 12 weeks till initiation too compared to the mere 8 they wait now, she'll be wearing your gifts in no time!

[bamamember]

Originally Posted by Zillini

I don't have any additional info other than I checked out the published list of UA pledges and Tri-Delt is in fact showing only 71. I'll ask around and see if I can find something out. I'll also see if anyone knows about any additional snaps or COR efforts since that list was published.

However I have learned something interesting and sort of confusing. As a reminder UA has two seperate quotas, one for Freshmen (69 this year) and another for Upperclassmen (6). I found out Panhellenic only reports the Freshmen quota number to the I/Natls. I guess the Upperclassmen are viewed kind of like quota additions. I wonder if in Tri-Delts I/Natls' eyes they did meet quota with 71 even if they missed the on campus quota total of 75?

I have been lurking on this board, and I was going to shed some insight onto this situation...Tri Delt did only take 71 girls this year, 69 sophomores and 2 upperclassmen. Unlike most of the other sororities on campus, Tri Delt and 2 other sororities on campus didn't get any quota additions. The only difference is that the other two sororities took sophomore quota of 6. With not even six upperclassmen coming to Pref night, Tri Delt had no way to make 75...but trust me, the pledge class is amazing!! So technically, DDD did make quota, but decided not to take as many sophomores. On a personal note, I don't really understand the way Alabama did rush year, the pledge class numbers have ranged from super-low to almost 90...it does seem unfair, but this is the first year it has been this way and I'm not so sure Alabama was prepared for so many PNMs!! I'm not sure I've answered your questions, but this is just all I know...

[FSUZeta]

do you mean that tri delta pledged 69 freshman?

in a separate note, one zta friend had a daughter rushing at u o f-her daughter is now her sister-- she pledged zta!!

another zta friend had a sister rushing at u of f-she was a double legacy to zta(mom and sis) and a legacy to kappa-she is now a new kappa!!

[bamamember]

haha, sorry...it was late. I did mean 69 freshmen.

[kk_bama]

Originally Posted by BamaDad

What about some of the very small chapters at Bama! Can they not receive extra o surplus pnms to re-build their chapters? Make girls who did not receive bids from the big sororities happy, the small sororities happy, etc.... I hate seeing excellent candidates not finding a home. You can't tell me there were a ton of gils out there as nice or nicer than BamaDaughter DZ who would make great sisters. By the same token, the small sororities surely have wonderful girls as a base for further development. Am I missing something?

BamaDad, while I can't speak for SDT, the smallest sorority at Bama, I can speak for Gamma Phi, which is slightly smaller than average. We do actively snap bid and COR, and while the new pledge class was earlier quoted at 27, I believe we had 34 on our lawn on Bid Day, and the pledge class will most likely be above 40 girls by the time COR is done for the fall. I think COR is great ... a lot of times out-of-state girls didn't know about Bama's early recruitment, and it is a great way to get to know potential members and be especially picky about voting on them! Some of our best members have been CORs!

That said, our chapter is not terribly small. Our numbers have ebbed and flowed over the years just like any other sorority on campus. I am very proud of the chapter and I'm anxious to get involved with them again, as I just moved back to Alabama.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by BamaDad

What about some of the very small chapters at Bama! Can they not receive extra o surplus pnms to re-build their chapters? Make girls who did not receive bids from the big sororities happy, the small sororities happy, etc.... I hate seeing excellent candidates not finding a home. You can't tell me there were a ton of gils out there as nice or nicer than BamaDaughter DZ who would make great sisters. By the same token, the small sororities surely have wonderful girls as a base for further development. Am I missing something?

It's a mutual selection process. Both sides have to want to be together.

There were some girls, even on my small campus, who didn't receive bids, but I wouldn't have wanted to just arbitrarily have them put in my sorority because we didn't make quota or total. They may not have fit with us, and if they didn't want to be there, they would have ended up depledging or terminating anyway. No chapter, no matter how small, wants "pity pledges."

As far as SDT, the impression that I've gotten is that their HQ gives them lots of leeway in this and rather than pushing numbers pushes girls who truly fit with the organization. I think that's awesome.

[ADSigMel]

I understand that to be true about SDT. In my (limited) experience, they usually end up with girls that really fit well with them and, because of their size, that's really important.

Congrats to all the new members at Alabama!

[BayouLena]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

loveinzta, that is so interesting that you were not allowed to wear "zta" before you were initiated-when i pledged eons ago, one of the first things we got was a zta jersey-there were no restrictions on us wearing it-well, except that we not wear it to a bar or be seen smoking or drinking in it.

one of my first gifts was a 'family' zta jersey, too. in fact, we had letter jerseys as our bid day shirts the year i pledged ('97). the only thing we couldn't wear until initiaition was the crest.

i guess that was just an individual decision by her chapter, b/c as far as i know, there's nothing in zeta's policies that says new members can't wear letters until initiation.

anway....threadjack over.

[twinkle555]

Originally Posted by BayouLena

one of my first gifts was a 'family' zta jersey, too. in fact, we had letter jerseys as our bid day shirts the year i pledged ('97). the only thing we couldn't wear until initiaition was the crest.

i guess that was just an individual decision by her chapter, b/c as far as i know, there's nothing in zeta's policies that says new members can't wear letters until initiation.

anway....threadjack over.

i had a friend that went thru spring recruitment last year and went ZTA. she didnt wear anything zeta until her initiation.

[ADSigMel]

New members of my sorority are not allowed to wear our Greek letters until initiation either. They can wear "Alpha Delta Sigma," but not the letters.

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by twinkle555

i had a friend that went thru spring recruitment last year and went ZTA. she didnt wear anything zeta until her initiation.

Odd. New members are indeed allowed to wear Zeta Tau Alpha items as long as they do not wear the crest, which is reserved for members only.

[twinkle555]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

Odd. New members are indeed allowed to wear Zeta Tau Alpha items as long as they do not wear the crest, which is reserved for members only.

hmm..perhaps it was just her decision not to wear the letters until initiation...that could have just been her preference

[blueangel]

Twinkle, I don't understand why your Zeta friend wasn't allowed to wear anything with the sorority's letters or name on it.

When I pledged ZTA, we were all given 14k gold lavaliers with our letters from the sisters. (still have it!)

I remember our pledge mom gathered us all up after dinner one night and let us order anything we wanted out of a catalog as long as it didn't have the ZTA crest on it.

All of us purchased a teal jersey with silver letters. Our names were stitched on the back. I also bought a red and white stitched letter shirt. I still have both of them.

And.. I also had a navy blue t-shirt with the words "Zeta Tau Alpha" written out in white about forty times. I loved that shirt so much, and literally wore it until it fell apart in the washing machine.

These were all purchased and worn prior to initiation.

Originally Posted by blueangel

Twinkle, I don't understand why your Zeta friend wasn't allowed to wear anything with the sorority's letters or name on it.

When I pledged ZTA, we were all given 14k gold lavaliers with our letters from the sisters. (still have it!)

I remember our pledge mom gathered us all up after dinner one night and let us order anything we wanted out of a catalog as long as it didn't have the ZTA crest on it.

All of us purchased a teal jersey with silver letters. Our names were stitched on the back. I also bought a red and white stitched letter shirt. I still have both of them.

And.. I also had a navy blue t-shirt with the words "Zeta Tau Alpha" written out in white about forty times. I loved that shirt so much, and literally wore it until it fell apart in the washing machine.

These were all purchased and worn prior to initiation.

There's a thread here somewhere about whether or not NMs are allowed to wear letters.

I've heard of situations where chapters tell their NMs they can't wear letters even though their HQs allow it. They call it "tradition," or whatever. I just don't get it. If HQ encourages NMs to wear the letters, why go against it?

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[ThetaPrincess24]

Originally Posted by southernyankee

I love hearing about the girls that are happy! We are so lucky to be in that group as so many weren't!

Not sure if you are still interested since rush is over...but my daughter can't stop talking about how sweet all the girls are! She is so disappointed that she can't wear her letters yet, not until after initiation. Of course, not knowing this...I sent her a huge basket full of Pi Phi stuff...it's gonna have to wait in her room for now. More waiting....

Just my two Cents:
I'm not a Pi Phi myself, but I've never heard of a Pi Phi chapter whose new members were allowed to wear letters prior to being initiated (Pi Phi's please correct me if I'm wrong).

Kappa Alpha Theta NM's have the same rule. We can wear or have things that say "Theta" or "Kappa Alpha Theta" but not the letters until after initiation. As a new member honestly I thought that was silly, UNTIL I went through initiation. Now I whole heartedly support the "no wearing of letters until after initiation" rule.

There are a few men's fraternities that have this rule as well.