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08-17-2006, 10:58 AM
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I'm reading everything I can about this and am glad the parents are cleared.
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Unless one (or both) of them were somehow involved in the kidnapping plot.
But, like you, I hope the parents are cleared. Shame Mrs. Ramsey isn't around for all this. 
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08-17-2006, 11:35 AM
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The psychotic ramblings bit had occurred to me, too.
Can someone clarify this for me? Weren't the Ramsey's in Boulder when JonBenet was murdered? And didn't this suspect make their acquaintance when they lived in ATL prior to moving to Boulder? Did he also move to Boulder/visiting Boulder for Christmas.
I can't imagine viewing the December holidays the same way after such a horrible thing happens to your daughter/sister/niece/granddaughter on Christmas morning.
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08-17-2006, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by adpiucf
The psychotic ramblings bit had occurred to me, too.
Can someone clarify this for me? Weren't the Ramsey's in Boulder when JonBenet was murdered? And didn't this suspect make their acquaintance when they lived in ATL prior to moving to Boulder? Did he also move to Boulder/visiting Boulder for Christmas.
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Yes, the whole family was at home in Boulder when the body was discovered.
John Ramsey is saying today that he doesn't recall ever meeting the suspect. I have not heard that he ever lived in Boulder.
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08-17-2006, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SydneyK
Unless one (or both) of them were somehow involved in the kidnapping plot.
But, like you, I hope the parents are cleared. Shame Mrs. Ramsey isn't around for all this. |
Parents may be cleared but wasn't there no sign of forced entry or anything? Perhaps he was hired to kidnap her.
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08-17-2006, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by PM_Mama00
Parents may be cleared but wasn't there no sign of forced entry or anything? Perhaps he was hired to kidnap her.
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As I recall, there was an open window to the basement where the body was discovered -- on the second search of the house.
The Boulder DA is really doing a dance about making an arrest before an investigation is completed and going out of her way to point out that the case isn't closed yet.
In addition, the suspects ex-wife claims to have been with him in Alabama or somewhere when the crime was committed.
Methinks we've not heard the last of this.
Or, to put it another way -- something smells.
ETA -- I just have to say it. The Ramseys acted very strangely in the months after the crime. They at first wouldn't cooperate with the police by not taking a lie dectector test (which they later did, and passed to be fair), and refused to be interviewed by police separately (which they finally did, again, to be fair).
While I'm sure this will open a hornet's nest, anyone who dressed their little girl up to look like a woman -- and all of the other outfits -- and were seemingly obscessed with these kiddy pageant things worry me to begin with.
In my mind, the parents aren't off the hook yet.
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08-17-2006, 03:32 PM
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ETA -- I just have to say it. The Ramseys acted very strangely in the months after the crime. They at first wouldn't cooperate with the police by not taking a lie dectector test (which they later did, and passed to be fair), and refused to be interviewed by police separately (which they finally did, again, to be fair).
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As a mom, if someone killed my daughter on Christmas, I would probably act strange too.
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08-17-2006, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog
As a mom, if someone killed my daughter on Christmas, I would probably act strange too.
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Of course. I was thinking (talking) of things a little more down the road.
If one of my children were killed anytime, though, I think I would want to do everything in my power to help the authorities.
I'm not sure exactly how to explain it, but something was just strange about the way they acted.
Living this close to Boulder, we got bombarded (even more than nationally, believe it or not) by this story and all of its little intricacies.
Then again, there are a lot of strange things and people in The Peoples Republic of Boulder -- sometimes known as "23 square miles surrounded by reality."
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08-17-2006, 03:51 PM
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Then again, there are a lot of strange things and people in The Peoples Republic of Boulder -- sometimes knows at "23 square miles surrounded by reality."
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FOR REAL. Boulder is all kinds of jacked.
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08-17-2006, 04:15 PM
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FOR REAL. Boulder is all kinds of jacked.
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And this from a former almost resident.
Well, a few miles up the Canyon.
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08-17-2006, 04:19 PM
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Of course. I was thinking (talking) of things a little more down the road.
If one of my children were killed anytime, though, I think I would want to do everything in my power to help the authorities.
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Does that include helping them convict you? If you were the prime suspect in a crime that you didn't commit would you help the authorities?
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08-17-2006, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by madmax
Does that include helping them convict you? If you were the prime suspect in a crime that you didn't commit would you help the authorities?
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Thanks Max. That's my point. They wouldn't cooperate, and it makes some folks think they were protecting themselves from something by not taking the tests or talking to the authorities. Guilty or not, their behavior doesn't look too good.
ETA that to the best of my memory, the Boulder Police and/or District Attorney's office have never called the Ramseys a suspect -- prime or otherwise.
I believe the term they used was that the family was under "an umbrella of suspicion."
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08-17-2006, 05:11 PM
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The way this guy acts and carries himself definitely makes me believe a psychiatric disorder is just waiting to be diagnosed! He's just weird!
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08-18-2006, 05:59 AM
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I am sure they did help the authorities as much as possible . .. but I am sure that on the advice of counsel they declined to put themselves in a situation where the authorities could build a case against them . . . which the police may have done regardless of whether the parents killed the little girl.
Generally if there is know obvious suspect the people closest to the victim are usually thought to have done it.
How would a lie detector test have helped the police catch the killer when the parents weren't the killers?
Would anyone have appreciated the police asking them to take a lie detector test because they thought you killed your daughter?
I would have been absolutely enraged that the police asked me and told them to take a flying leap, if I didn't deck the person making the suggestion.
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Originally Posted by DeltAlum
Of course. I was thinking (talking) of things a little more down the road.
If one of my children were killed anytime, though, I think I would want to do everything in my power to help the authorities.
I'm not sure exactly how to explain it, but something was just strange about the way they acted.
Living this close to Boulder, we got bombarded (even more than nationally, believe it or not) by this story and all of its little intricacies.
Then again, there are a lot of strange things and people in The Peoples Republic of Boulder -- sometimes known as "23 square miles surrounded by reality."
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08-18-2006, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by James
How would a lie detector test have helped the police catch the killer when the parents weren't the killers?
Would anyone have appreciated the police asking them to take a lie detector test because they thought you killed your daughter?
I would have been absolutely enraged that the police asked me and told them to take a flying leap, if I didn't deck the person making the suggestion.
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Your points certainly have merit -- especially the part about the lawyers advice.
How taking the test would have helped, it seems to me, would be to take some of the suspicion off of the Ramseys.
On the other hand, while not being an expert, I've heard that Lie Detectors can be "beaten" and aren't always conclusive.
All I can say is that with all of the media coverage -- local and national -- there is just something about the way the Ramseys acted that made (makes) me uneasy.
As I said about Mr. Karr, I have no proof. Just a bad feeling.
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08-17-2006, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltAlum
While I'm sure this will open a hornet's nest, anyone who dressed their little girl up to look like a woman -- and all of the other outfits -- and were seemingly obscessed with these kiddy pageant things worry me to begin with.
In my mind, the parents aren't off the hook yet.
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At the very least, they sexualized their daughter since she was a toddler! That's pretty sick in and of itself. I wouldn't be surprised if she hadn't been victimized several times by more than one person in her life. I mean, her parents more or less set her up for it.
This guy has had a history of pedophilia-based crimes, and he was arrested in Thailand of all places--a haven for pedophiles.
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