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Old 08-09-2006, 02:35 PM
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It's probably similar, where people don't realize that hitting .300, walking 100 times, and smashing 40 doubles is actually better than hitting 50 home runs (and since he'll probably hit 45-50 HRs this year too, I mean . . . SICK) . . . Thomas eventually got his recognition, but only after years - plus his counting stats are nuts too. Part of it might be because Frank played in the field, too - but seriously, he barely played in the field . . . Hafner is a total freak, though, and in that regard they're totally similar.
Thomas was probably the worst defensive first baseman for a while in the 90's, and probably one of the worst defensive regulars, period. However, I think his lack of recognition goes back to the counting stats you were talking about; you always heard more about Juan Gone during that time period because of the home runs and RBIs (even though he didn't do anything else).

I think Hafner could end up like a Manny case - one day someone will figure out how good he is, and you'll have 1000 columnists taking the credit for "discovering" his talent.

ETA: I think I found the next topic for my blog. Thank you, Mr. Hafner.
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Old 08-09-2006, 03:46 PM
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Thomas was probably the worst defensive first baseman for a while in the 90's, and probably one of the worst defensive regulars, period.
Word - Big Hurt's Rate2s in the 90s:

94
99 (56 games, clearly an abberation)
91
91
93
89
93
91
85(!)
92

FRAA:
-3
-1
-16
-14
-7
-10
-10
-9
-2
-4

Because 10 runs ~= 1 win . . . that means all those White Sox teams lost about one game per YEAR because of Big Frank's D - that's insane. Totally insane. Luckily, he was having overall WARPs of 8-10(!!!) in that time, clearly a Hall of Fame peak . . . but yeah, SHITTY fielding. While Hafner definitely sucks, he's never had a RATE2 below 94 (just for completeness).

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Old 08-09-2006, 04:29 PM
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-RC
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Yes, but guess who checked out his rates prior to posting before that?

This guy.

Also, I got excited about having a new blog topic. Weird.

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Old 08-09-2006, 04:55 PM
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How did Mike Lowell get left off for comeback player of the year? I would have picked him before Schilling.
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Old 08-25-2006, 10:46 AM
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Went to Detroit to take in all four vs the white sox. Sooner or later, folks will have to start recognizing how good Dye has been this year in terms of the MVP race.
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