Does your HQ *really* want to know about hazing?

[33girl]

I actually do agree with him on some things when he has the asshat turned down to 2 or so.

I think where Sydney is going is the point that seemed to come across (not saying this is what you said, but this is kinda how it came across) that "if he didn't get hazed, and more importantly if he didn't get hazed in the way I'm accustomed to, he isn't a brother of mine." It's like the old "pledging vs paper" debate that the NPHC groups have.

I know that the sisters that are joining my group now have a pledge process that's VASTLY different from mine. I'm sure mine was vastly different from some of the women who pledged the same time as me at different schools. What matters to me is how I get along with them, and more importantly, what they give. Just because I can't require you to learn history doesn't mean you can't go ahead and do it anyway. If you do the least amount of anything possible, it doesn't matter how or when or where you joined, the respect you receive from me will be nil. That doesn't mean hazing. That means you do things like showing up at the house just to hang out (not only when you have to come there for meetings), helping with rush nametags when you didn't sign your name on a sheet to do it, etc etc. That goes on throughout your whole Greek career, not just pledgeship.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by 33girl

If you do the least amount of anything possible, it doesn't matter how or when or where you joined, the respect you receive from me will be nil. That doesn't mean hazing. That means you do things like showing up at the house just to hang out (not only when you have to come there for meetings), helping with rush nametags when you didn't sign your name on a sheet to do it, etc etc. That goes on throughout your whole Greek career, not just pledgeship.

Yes, I agree completely. (This is one of the reasons I've always liked Tri Sigma's open motto - at least, I think it's their motto - "To receive much, you must give much").

I am blessed to come from a chapter where, for the most part, sisters were extremely giving of their time, talents, shoulders, etc.

I understand what you and Shiner are saying about bonding experiences. I feel similarly. When I think of "bonding" activities, I think of activities that I participated in with my friends. But, when I think of what makes that group of friends my SISTERS, it's our ritual.

I think I'm just having a hard time getting my feelings into words. Yes, you do a great deal of bonding with those in your chapter. But, your chapter is bound to each other through its ritual, not through hazing or a pledging process. I just feel like ritual is glossed over by some of the comments others have made. And, I guess that's what I feel like HQs would want to know about.

[33girl]

I think what you're trying to say is "ritual made us sisters, hearts made us friends." LOL

I don't know - I mean, you should be performing the ritual properly, but other than that I don't know how you can make people feel something more because of it. That just isn't how we (NIC & NPC) rush. You (for the most part) join the chapter, not the national, and the bond with the national comes later. Now if you asked the NPHC groups, I think they'd be much more agreeing of what you were talking about.

[shinerbock]

Well, I'm sure our HQ would like to hear about it, but hopefully they won't. Nobody really enjoys talking to them anyhow.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Well, I'm sure our HQ would like to hear about it, but hopefully they won't. Nobody really enjoys talking to them anyhow.

Shiner and Bows&Toes:
Some Nationals just might know and be aware of more that you really care to think or believe that they do...........and just may do more.........

[shinerbock]

Jon, well perhaps you should go back and READ. I said, I wasnt comparing pledgeship to military service, but that the theory of bonds being build under stressful situations still applies. Literacy. Try it.

I'm sure nationals knows more than we think. However, they don't seem to care.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Jon, well perhaps you should go back and READ. I said, I wasnt comparing pledgeship to military service, but that the theory of bonds being build under stressful situations still applies. Literacy. Try it.

I'm sure nationals knows more than we think. However, they don't seem to care.

Shiner-I have read just about ALL of your postings and still stand by what I said. And in what I believe. And as I have said in the past, we have very different beliefs and backgrounds.

And note what I said about Nationals-I did not say all. And we still do not know who yours is and never will for any number of reasons. All we know is that you enjoy the coverage that they provide and will provide come the day of reconging for your old chapter.....and some posters seem to not understand that others have interests in the actions of chapters. Yes Nationals PR people, their "bean counters" and thier RM's have an interest but so do the Schools people. Just because National 'does not know' or "is not told' does not mean that the school is in the dark.

And in this day and age, someone is going to do something. Either as a proactive move or reactive move.

And just because a Chapter may be a BHOC with a large active alumni group may not be of any help. May even hurt it as the Big, Importaint older Alumni Brothers most likly know, from the real business world that the days of Boys will be Boys, Greeks will be Greeks have changed. Yes, many will support a re-build, a Beta but in a different mold. As you may learn to understand in Law School.

And Shiner-I had no intention to say that you " disrespecting the military" in any way. Just that I truly believe that the College Experience/Life should have no connection at all to Military type "Close Combat" experience. Nothing like surviving Pearl Habor, The Death March, or just the Battle of Iron Bottom Sound. Or landing on Omaha Beach, then fighting though The Bulge and then being tasked to go land on the Home Islands of Japan. Or fighting in Nam, against people that you did not always see or understand and with one hand tied behind your back......

Shiner-you made that connection. That one must use the theory of bonds being build under stressful situations.

Every member of a GLO that I know, never had a negitive type of bonding, a overly stressful pledging or pledgeship. It was a mostly positive, joining of the Brotherhood.

And as I said before, we talk down on the groups that did otherwise.

And yes, my explainations may be just a bit extrem but Shiner sometimes yours are too.......and other times, you just lay out opinions as "facts" with nothing to back them up.......

[Elephant Walk]

Yeah, I mean when we went to convention, we were going to the bars with the Ole Miss and UGA guys. If there were two national fraternities having convention in the same place, it wouldnt surprise me to see the two auburn chapters hanging out together at the bar instead of their respective national fraternities.

Exactly.

We usually go out with the Alabama, Auburn, and UGA guys. It was weird, some guys that are apparently our brothers from like Minnesota or something invited us to a keg party. We respectfully declined and decided to go to the bars with the SEC guys.

[shinerbock]

Jon, if you understand, then don't try and come at me as though I'm disrespecting the military. I made quite clear my reasoning.

I think it is funny how everyone on here loves to warn us about how our time is gonna come...You'd think we were beating up pledges for sport. Some of the country's best chapters are in the south, and their HQ also happens to ignore many instances of purposeful "hazing" at those chapters. I don't think that is a coincidence.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Jon, if you understand, then don't try and come at me as though I'm disrespecting the military. I made quite clear my reasoning.

I think it is funny how everyone on here loves to warn us about how our time is gonna come...You'd think we were beating up pledges for sport. Some of the country's best chapters are in the south, and their HQ also happens to ignore many instances of purposeful "hazing" at those chapters. I don't think that is a coincidence.

Shiner-I made a editororial correction to my prior posting which you may not have seen.

But this posting I find rather funny: As per your own prior postings, you are an Alumni of a House not a Chapter as you have indicated several times that you have no need for your National.

Yet you speak as a spokesperson for everyone "Some of the Best Chapters.....HQ's ignore.......And just how do you know all these FACTS????

And judging from your postings, one could make a call that you do beat your plegdes for sport or just for sake the good old days........

[shinerbock]

No you couldnt, because I've repeatedly said that beating pledges isnt the hazing I value.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Shiner-I made a editororial correction to my prior posting which you may not have seen.

But this posting I find rather funny: As per your own prior postings, you are an Alumni of a House not a Chapter as you have indicated several times that you have no need for your National.

Yet you speak as a spokesperson for everyone "Some of the Best Chapters.....HQ's ignore.......And just how do you know all these FACTS????

And judging from your postings, one could make a call that you do beat your plegdes for sport or just for sake the good old days........

Actually, he has said repeatedly that he doesn't condone beating pledges and things of that nature........reading comprehension is a good thing.