Way to go Congress.

AXEAM · #1 08-05-2006, 12:32 AM

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The GOP sabotaged what? You act like its the job of the Republicans to raise the minimum wage. The raise is in the interest of some, and not others. You're acting as though its good for all society. If the Democrats really wanted, they could have just voted it through. But they didnt.

Like I said you are full of it...so I quess the estate tax is good for all of Americans...and you never answer the question if Congress feels that they need a paid raise why do they feel hard working Americans should not get one. Eight years of GOP control has produce nothing but pain for working class Americans.

shinerbock · #2 08-05-2006, 12:36 AM

Except that unemployment is down, the economy has been booming, but yeah, those things suck. I did answer your questions about congressional pay raises. It is the job of congress to decide what the government needs to pay government workers. Minimum wage workers don't work for the government, so its not their responsibility to tell employers what to pay their employees.

The estate tax helps some, but who does it hurt? Those who arent getting the free money anymore? It is ridiculous in this country, a country which proclaims to help people make a better life for their children, that we penalize those who want to pass on the fruit of their efforts to their children. Estate taxes should end, who would that harm?

AXEAM · #3 08-05-2006, 01:21 AM

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Except that unemployment is down, the economy has been booming, but yeah, those things suck. I did answer your questions about congressional pay raises. It is the job of congress to decide what the government needs to pay government workers. Minimum wage workers don't work for the government, so its not their responsibility to tell employers what to pay their employees.

The estate tax helps some, but who does it hurt? Those who arent getting the free money anymore? It is ridiculous in this country, a country which proclaims to help people make a better life for their children, that we penalize those who want to pass on the fruit of their efforts to their children. Estate taxes should end, who would that harm?

Americans who lost a good paying job under the Bush regime had to replace their lost job w/ a very low paying one not to mention that after a person's unemployment benefits run out they are no longer included in the numbers of the unemployed. So the numbers that claim unemployment is down is really just a mirage, which explains why there is a record number of bankruptcy claims as well as home foreclosures things that wouldn't be if true employment was really up. There is a record deficit, a bull shit war that can't be won (maybe b/c everyone who wanted the war are a bunch of chicken hearted wimps Rummy , Dick: who abused the deferment clause making sure he would never see any fighting and Bush who just quit his military service obligations.), the world's opinion of America is at an all time low all thanks to the GOP.

shinerbock · #4 08-05-2006, 01:45 AM

You mean that war that most democrats supported? You guys tend to forget that it wasnt just the GOP that sent us to war. But when it comes to crunch time, the left is ready to get the hell out. They have no desire to see the end of our mission, and are using disgusting tactics to taint what our soldiers are doing.

What does Bush have to do with people having to get new jobs? Nothing. Why are we in a record deficit? Just Iraq? People forget about 9/11, and Katrina. These things cost money, and lots of it. I love how the left suddenly cares about the debt, but constantly call for more social programs? Where should the money come from? Oh right, the wealthy.

Unemployment in the U.S. is measured not by who recieves benefits from the government. Rather, it is a sampling poll done by the BLS which asks whether citizens have worked for pay the week the call is made. This has been done every month since 1994, according to the BLS. They even acknowledge what you said, and say it is not a reliable system, so they don't operate that way. www.bls.gov

Most economists I've heard blame the rising bankruptcies and foreclosures on the amount of debt people in this country are taking on. I don't think it is any secret that many Americans live far beyond their means, and there has been talk for a long time about it catching up with us at some point. Many things can lead to bankruptcy, from things like credit card use (a big one) to high divorce rates. Indications still show that things are going ok for the economy. U.S. News and World Report claims that in June pay rates rose .5%, which was higher than expected. The job growth in this country has been steady, sometimes lower than expected, but often far surpassing expectations.

AXEAM · #5 08-05-2006, 02:08 AM

What mission? We were told a pack of lies as to the need for this war, it's plain as day...and if the Bush admin. was on the job 911 would have never happened they were briefed that it was Bin-Laden's plan to attack America by use of planes so instead of constant vacationing and reading to Middle school students about a freakin goat, Bush should have been on the job making sure Bin- Laden didn't pull off his plan. It's funny how he was so willing to shift blame or shall I say decieve the dumb that Iraq was behind 911 even while most of the terrorist were Saudis. I find it funny that Bush would be so willing to send the sons of others to fight in his fool hearted war but when it was his turn he decided to quit the military instead of risking his life in fighting for America.

djjukebox · #6 08-07-2006, 12:04 PM

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the economy has been booming

What part of America do you live in?

With the War on the wrong country, the USA is in extreme debt !!!!

shinerbock · #7 08-07-2006, 01:03 PM

AxEm, maybe you've noticed the incredible building up of homeland security since 9/11? Last time I checked, Bush doesnt have a weather machine, so blaming him for Katrina just displays who incredibly out there you are. It is very difficult to debate someone who defies logic and reason.

As for the economy, flip on CNBC sometime. The stock market has risen, although may be stalling now, we'll see...and job creation has been steady for months.

AXEAM · #8 08-07-2006, 02:17 PM

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AxEm, maybe you've noticed the incredible building up of homeland security since 9/11? Last time I checked, Bush doesnt have a weather machine, so blaming him for Katrina just displays who incredibly out there you are. It is very difficult to debate someone who defies logic and reason.

As for the economy, flip on CNBC sometime. The stock market has risen, although may be stalling now, we'll see...and job creation has been steady for months.

What incredible build up you mean still having guys making $6 bucks an hour checking passagers of airplanes (and getting rid of the feds making 30 + a year), or the fact that 80% or more of cargo arriving by ship are not checked. Maybe you're speaking of the fact that the border w/ Canada is open like Walmart 24/7 or the fact that Bin laden is still making threats and making videos like a pop star...but we have caught the number three man for Al Qaeda about a million times so I quess that's a plus.

shinerbock · #9 08-07-2006, 02:24 PM

Oh, so you mean when Clinton had the chance to catch him we should have. Perhaps you're referring to the billions we're spending on Homeland Security, a new department. Maybe you're talking about the foiled terrorist attempts which have resulted because of our intelligence community working in coordination with other international intelligence groups.

AXEAM · #10 08-07-2006, 02:35 PM

Bin-Laden attacked America under Clinton's watch? when ? As for the foil terrorist attacks that's like those color coded warnings a bunch of hype that lacks real substance....have you ever notice how vague those foiled attack or shall I say so called attacks were....never any real information. Yes billions were wasted on homeland security I will admit that.