Does your HQ *really* want to know about hazing?

[shinerbock]

On another note, a lot of people accuse us "fratty" posters of wanting to return to the 1800s, or 1950's, or whatever. You're not entirely wrong. Sure some things are better, but many things are not. I wish we had the respect for one another we had during those times. I wish the personal responsibility of earlier times existed today. I long for lower crime and better social etiquette. Just because things bring about diversity or are "progressive," does not make them good for society. So while I obviously recognize improvements we've made from previous times, I also recognize where our society has declined.

[blkwebman1919]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

On another note, a lot of people accuse us "fratty" posters of wanting to return to the 1800s, or 1950's, or whatever. You're not entirely wrong. Sure some things are better, but many things are not. I wish we had the respect for one another we had during those times. I wish the personal responsibility of earlier times existed today. I long for lower crime and better social etiquette. Just because things bring about diversity or are "progressive," does not make them good for society. So while I obviously recognize improvements we've made from previous times, I also recognize where our society has declined.

Exactly....

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Just because things bring about diversity or are "progressive," does not make them good for society. So while I obviously recognize improvements we've made from previous times, I also recognize where our society has declined.

So bringing back some sort of segregation to limit diversity is going to improve something? I don't think so. As one of a very few members who actually remembers the 50's (I don't think any of us were here in the 1800's), things are a hell of a lot better today.

Medicine has improved giving us longer lives and better lifestyle, our kids don't worry about global nuclear war and have disaster drills sitting in the hallways of their schools covering their heads with their hands, technology has given us better appliances, better transportation and a lot of other things. We are, as a whole, better educated and much better off economically.

As for respect, if there's less now (and there well may be), I believe that has more to due with the highly competitive nature of our society than anything having to do with diversity. Peoples lives and professional careers are much more intense. I can't prove it, but my feeling is that, because of many of the factors above, we're much more driven and take less time for "neighborhood" stuff. That's not diversity.

I suppose there are some things that are worse, but I'm having trouble thinking of them.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

our kids don't worry about global nuclear war and have disaster drills sitting in the hallways of their schools covering their heads with their hands

Heck no! They just worry about their parents going to work and not coming home because terrorists blew up the building!

In all seriousness, I remember thinking one day how cool it was that little kids were looking at the "fallout shelter" signs and having no clue what they were, not too soon after that 9/11 happened. We're never going to be free of danger totally.

Sorry to hijack, but I thought I would get that one before someone else did and was a lot meaner about it.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by 33girl

In all seriousness, I remember thinking one day how cool it was that little kids were looking at the "fallout shelter" signs and having no clue what they were...

Trust me, we knew what they were.

Sure, there will always be something to worry about...but the doctrine of two or three "superpowers" overbuilding their nuclear capacity to the point of destroying everything on earth two or three times over, and the spectre of Kruschev banging his shoe on a podium yelling "We will bury you," was pretty terrifying for a kid.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

Trust me, we knew what they were.

I meant little kids NOW, silly.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I meant little kids NOW, silly.

AhHa!

I understand now what you are saying, and agree completely.

I hope they finally got rid of those big containers of water and stale crackers that used to be in the fallout shelters, too.

I have to admit that watching news reports with folks in Israel running into shelters brought back some bad memories.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

AhHa!

I understand now what you are saying, and agree completely.

I hope they finally got rid of those big containers of water and stale crackers that used to be in the fallout shelters, too.

I have to admit that watching news reports with folks in Israel running into shelters brought back some bad memories.

To be fair though, that whole "duck and cover" thing was just to make people feel better. I watched a video in my history class from the time, and they had kids ducking under raincoats in gutters. Everyone was going to be blown to little glowing bits anyway.


/Magic lead-lined raincoats of steel?

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

AhHa!

I understand now what you are saying, and agree completely.

I hope they finally got rid of those big containers of water and stale crackers that used to be in the fallout shelters, too.

I have to admit that watching news reports with folks in Israel running into shelters brought back some bad memories.

Believe it or not just a few months ago a whole shelter was found under one the the East River Bridges in NYC. And the stuff was still sealed......

[Kevin]

Kyle -- well said.

[LaneSig]

Kyle -

Excellent post and I totally agree.