Why do multicultural GLOs/organizations exist?

[shinerbock]

I don't judge the color of their skin. Do I associate crime with minorities? Sometimes, yes. Why? Because it is common. Not all profiling is inaccurate. I don't at all associate black wealthy people with thugs. The few black people I grew up around were well educated, and great people. Unfortunately, upon reaching high school, they decided it was time to "act black," and I lost touch with many of them. The valedictorian of my high school was a brilliant black girl, and I got along very well with her, and because she is someone I like to associate with, we remain friends. In other words, it is not skin color, it truly is character. However, even wealthy and intelligent black people often condone actions because of loyalty to race. While I understand sticking up for one another, it can also cause a rift in a community like mine.

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I don't judge the color of their skin. Do I associate crime with minorities? Sometimes, yes. Why? Because it is common. Not all profiling is inaccurate. I don't at all associate black wealthy people with thugs. The few black people I grew up around were well educated, and great people. Unfortunately, upon reaching high school, they decided it was time to "act black," and I lost touch with many of them. The valedictorian of my high school was a brilliant black girl, and I got along very well with her, and because she is someone I like to associate with, we remain friends. In other words, it is not skin color, it truly is character. However, even wealthy and intelligent black people often condone actions because of loyalty to race. While I understand sticking up for one another, it can also cause a rift in a community like mine.

So its only the non-wealthy Black people who you don't like cause they cause all the crimes?

Yeah.....sure....

[shinerbock]

Well I don't like poor people at all. However, you're somewhat correct, I don't think the wealthy professional black people are causing the crime, no.

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Well I don't like poor people at all. However, you're somewhat correct, I don't think the wealthy professional black people are causing the crime, no.

You missed my point...poor Black people aren't committing ALL the crime in the US.

So what about wealthy people that embezzle or commit fraud? Or are those not crimes?

[shinerbock]

Well thanks. Of course black people aren't committing all the crime. But crime is more common in heavily black areas. Everyone knows this, theres no dispute.

What about white collar crimes? I really don't see the relevance here. They're bad people, sure, but Ken Lay isn't stealing my car or doing a drive by in my neighborhood.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Well thanks. Of course black people aren't committing all the crime. But crime is more common in heavily black areas. Everyone knows this, theres no dispute.

What about white collar crimes? I really don't see the relevance here. They're bad people, sure, but Ken Lay isn't stealing my car or doing a drive by in my neighborhood.

Maybe because Ken Lay is dead?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,202143,00.html

[shinerbock]

Yes I'm aware. My point is obviously that white collar crimes don't endanger my family.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

So its only the non-wealthy Black people who you don't like cause they cause all the crimes?

Yeah.....sure....

If you think it is wrong to think that a majority of crimes are caused by lower class, poor minorities then you need a serious reality check. Atleast it is that way in the South. I can't speak for the rest of the country because I don't live there, and don't really care.

[bows&toes]

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

So its only the non-wealthy Black people who you don't like cause they cause all the crimes?

Yeah.....sure....

Not all, but you should check some statistics, it will probably surprise you. Here is one for you:

Of the approximately 1,700,000 interracial crimes of violence involving blacks and whites, 90 percent are committed by blacks against whites. Blacks are 50 times more likely than whites to commit individual acts of interracial violence. They are up to 250 times more likely than whites to engage in multiple-offender or group interracial violence.

There are MANY more equally as shocking statistics out there, these things may not be pleasant to recognize but it's these pesky things we call facts.

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by bows&toes

Not all, but you should check some statistics, it will probably surprise you. Here is one for you:

Of the approximately 1,700,000 interracial crimes of violence involving blacks and whites, 90 percent are committed by blacks against whites. Blacks are 50 times more likely than whites to commit individual acts of interracial violence. They are up to 250 times more likely than whites to engage in multiple-offender or group interracial violence.

There are MANY more equally as shocking statistics out there, these things may not be pleasant to recognize but it's these pesky things we call facts.

I'd like to see the actual numbers, because the beauty of "statistics" is that they can be skewed to support whatever argument you want.

As for white collar crime not hurting anyone, I bet all those folks who lost their retirement funds due to Enron would disagree. On some level, crime hurts someone, even though it may not be you.

[shinerbock]

I'm not sure if you're trying to change the subject, but white collar crime has nothing to do with what we were talking about. I really could care less if I live close to someone who does insider trading. However, if theres a rapist or murderer in my neighborhood, I would.

[Taualumna]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I'm not sure if you're trying to change the subject, but white collar crime has nothing to do with what we were talking about. I really could care less if I live close to someone who does insider trading. However, if theres a rapist or murderer in my neighborhood, I would.

Rapists and murders can be of all races and classes.

[shinerbock]

Are you people serious? Holy crap, really, of all races AND classes! Amazing. Of course they can be anything. But the FACT is that they're more common in certain areas, and by certain races and classes.

[bows&toes]

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

I'd like to see the actual numbers, because the beauty of "statistics" is that they can be skewed to support whatever argument you want.

As for white collar crime not hurting anyone, I bet all those folks who lost their retirement funds due to Enron would disagree. On some level, crime hurts someone, even though it may not be you.

The source for my statement was taken from:
www.amren.com/colorofcrime/color.pdf
The New Century Foundation, 2717 Clarkes Landing, Oakton, VA 22124
Tel. (703) 716-0900, Fax. (703) 716-0932

If that is not convincing enough I can show a few more:

Characteristics of State Prison inmates.
"Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 28% of black
males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to
16% of Hispanic males and 4.4% of white males."
source: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm

U.S. Department of Justice
Bureau of Justice Statistics
Homicide trends in the U.S.
Trends by race
-Blacks were 7 times more likely than whites to commit homicide in 1999
(25% Blacks, 4% Whites)
source: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

There is a ton more.

My point here is not to rub this in anyones face, I am validating shinerbocks posts on the subject. I share a similar view, my parents live in the "richest county in Texas". They moved here 8 years ago when most of the neighborhood was white, and crime was almost non-existent. The only crime to report was underage drinking by high school students.
Now that I come home from college everything has changed. I see minorities everywhere, my parents house value is dropping like lead because of it. I also notice the crime rate skyrocketed. My cousin just recently got mugged and held up by gunpoint, beat up, pistol whipped in his head, etc for his wallet. It was on his birthday and him and his gf were taking a walk in the park (July 4th). These kids ended up being 11th grade football players at the local high school apparently trying to emulate rap culture by being "gangsta". This type of thing NEVER happened when I went to school here, but now is getting to be very common.
-Minorities heard of the nice area.
-The rich ones started moving in.
-Produced the demand for affordable housing in the area for other minorities to follow.
-Apartment complexes start popping up.
-There goes the neighborhood.

[SOPi_Jawbreaker]

The statistics still may not tell the whole story. There's iniquity in who is being watched/targeted by law enforcement and also iniquity in the sentencing of white criminals and the sentencing of minority criminals.

African American Youth Are Treated Differently By the Juvenile Justice System
Drugs. According to the National Survey on Drug Use and Health, among youths aged 12 to 17, the rate of current illicit drug use was 11.1 % among whites, and 9.3% among African Americans.[4] In a previous year, the same survey found that white youth aged 12 to17 are more than a third more likely to have sold drugs than African American youth.[5] The Monitoring the Future Survey of high school seniors shows that white students annually use cocaine at 4.6 times the rate of African Americans students, use crack cocaine at 1.5 times the rate of African Americans students, and use heroin at the same rate of African Americans students, and that white youth report annual use of marijuana at a rate 46% higher than African American youth.[6] However African American youth are arrested for drug offenses at about twice the rate (African American 314 per 100,000, white 175 per 100,000) times that of whites,[7] and African American youth represent nearly half (48%) of all the youth incarcerated for a drug offense in the juvenile justice system.[8]

Weapons. According to the Center on Disease Control’s annual Youth Risk Behavior Survey, in 2001 whites and African Americans reported similar rates of carrying a weapon (whites 17.9%, African Americans 15.2%), and similar rates of carrying a gun (whites 5.5%, and African Americans, 6.5%).[9] African American youth represent 32% of all weapons arrests, and were arrested for weapons offenses at a rate twice that of whites (69 per 100,000, versus 30 per 100,000).[10]

Assault. According to the Center on Disease Control’s annual Youth Risk Behavior Survey, African Americans report being in a physical fight at a similar rate (36.5%, versus 32.5% for whites), but were arrested for aggravated assault at a rate nearly three times that of whites (137 per 100,000, versus 48 per 100,000).

“The existence of much larger racial and ethnic differences in arrest rates than in self-reported violence is a matter of great concern. On the one hand, there is no reason to expect similar distributions, because these measures were designed to assess different aspects of violence. But if both measures are valid and reliable, the discrepancy suggests that the probability of being arrested for a violent offense varies with race/ethnicity.”—Youth Violent: A Report of the Surgeon General, January, 2001.[11]

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