Why do multicultural GLOs/organizations exist?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Well I'll be blunt. I'm not a racist, but I am prejudiced. I prefer not to be around low class things. My statement about preferring low minorities was probably not the best portrayal of how I feel, but it is true. For example, if I lived in a neighborhood with a lot of minorities, but who were well off, well educated, Christian, and classy, then I'd be fine with that. Unfortunately, that is rare. For example, I live in the wealthiest county in GA, and word eventually got out. Some wealthy minorities started moving in, and then the not so wealthy ones followed. Since then, we've dropped from one of the top 10 wealthiest counties in the country to around 15, home prices have dropped, and crime has shot up. Now I'm sure some will say "well that has nothing to do with minorities," and while that is a nice PC thing to say, it is also untrue. Minorities attract more minorities, and while I have nothing against the members of the upper class, large minority populations often breed conditions I would not wish to live in.

Again, you act like minorities themselves are the bad things. You are still in the freaking top 15 wealthiest counties in the country. What part of that seems like you've gotten the homeless bums living in the abandoned house next door?

Ok, plain and simple: if your county is so elite, which I believe than no non wealthy people of any color are going to be able to live there. So who are these "other" minorities moving in that apparently can afford it but are still low-income/crime lords?

If they can afford to live there, they're not "low class" they're just a different color of high class.
You'd probably have little problem with my family moving in (unless you're anti-Catholic) we're fine upstanding people. My siblings are all doing well in school and sports and don't get in trouble. But we're too "low class" to afford it. By your standards, a black couple who can afford to live there should be far above my parents. But I don't think your initial judgements would put them above my parents.

/I get the impression you're going to think I live in a cardboard box or something...

[SOPi_Jawbreaker]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

What I meant by taking anybody is that the multi cultural orgs I've seen often tend to value the "multi cultural" aspect than anything else, and thus just take anyone who wants to be a member.

Regarding the cultural issue, I'm not quite sure I follow. What I meant is that people like myself, who were in all white fraternities, who prefer upper class neighborhoods with fewer minorities, are often considered to be hiding from the world, or "uncultured." What people fail to see is that many, if not most of us, are better educated and traveled than the large majority of people. We're not hiding in our own corner of the world, or unaware of the big world out there. We've seen it, and we also have found a part we prefer.

A person can travel the world and still not see very much of it. A rich person staying at the 5-star hotels and visiting all the touristy/clean/air-conditioned places (museums, ornate temples or mansions, department stores, malls, etc.)so as to avoid the unwashed masses isn't going to be able to get the real, authentic feel for that country that someone else would get by staying in a less touristy area (staying with a nice family, staying in a hostel, staying in a cheap hotel) and getting a feel of how people in that country really live...seeing the outdoor market they buy their food and clothes at, seeing their small/plain/humble house of worship, etc.

This isn't a personal attack on you. I really don't know you or the people you hang out with or how you guys travel. My point is that just because you grow up rich and can travel the world doesn't automatically make you worldly...just like how hanging out with people like yourself doesn't automatically make you narrow-minded. I think narrow-mindedness is when someone refuses to even listen and consider other points of view and if they consider people that are different from them to be lower than them and treat those people as if they were lower.

[shinerbock]

You're right, you can be be wealthy and well traveled, but still sheltered. However, in my situation and that of my friends, that really isn't the case. My favorite trips in America have been long and extended road trips, where we travel through incredibly various areas of all types. Likewise, I enjoy backpacking and fishing, so that has taken me off the beaten path.

Drole, well to be fair, the people who actually live in my county, the minorities I mean, are generally well off. The problem for me is that they have attracted other minorities, who come to shop, and hang out. That is where the crime and such has come from. Also, because of race-loyalty, there is very little outrage from the black community. Several black people have made statements like "Man Clayton county just go so bad, we had to get out." I understand that sentiment, but what they fail to recognize is that crime tends to follow them. We used to live in Clayton Co. as well, about 20 years ago, before it became a county with a minority majority. We moved because we didn't like the direction it was going. So we moved here, where everything was great for about 20 years, until those who had moved to Clayton decided to come here. I hope that made some sort of sense, if not, I'll clarify.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

You're right, you can be be wealthy and well traveled, but still sheltered. However, in my situation and that of my friends, that really isn't the case. My favorite trips in America have been long and extended road trips, where we travel through incredibly various areas of all types. Likewise, I enjoy backpacking and fishing, so that has taken me off the beaten path.

Drole, well to be fair, the people who actually live in my county, the minorities I mean, are generally well off. The problem for me is that they have attracted other minorities, who come to shop, and hang out. That is where the crime and such has come from. Also, because of race-loyalty, there is very little outrage from the black community. Several black people have made statements like "Man Clayton county just go so bad, we had to get out." I understand that sentiment, but what they fail to recognize is that crime tends to follow them. We used to live in Clayton Co. as well, about 20 years ago, before it became a county with a minority majority. We moved because we didn't like the direction it was going. So we moved here, where everything was great for about 20 years, until those who had moved to Clayton decided to come here. I hope that made some sort of sense, if not, I'll clarify.

you know, i really do understand, but please look at how your attitude comes off. You don't like thugs and gangbangers and muggers. Cool. But I get the impression you mentally associate the wealthy black people with the thugs etc. All we ask is that you judge the character of the person, not the color of their skin.

[shinerbock]

Jeni, please note that I really don't care what people think of me. I prefer not to be miscast, but I can live with it. I'm also aware that I am not the most brilliant person on the planet. However, I have experienced a lot, and have a good idea what I enjoy and what I do not like. The facts that I don't like Miami or Detroit, and don't choose to go there, I don't believe are a disservice to myself. They are simply preferences. I generally take any chance I can to experience most everything I can. The things I avoid are generally things I've tried and did not like.

[shinerbock]

I don't judge the color of their skin. Do I associate crime with minorities? Sometimes, yes. Why? Because it is common. Not all profiling is inaccurate. I don't at all associate black wealthy people with thugs. The few black people I grew up around were well educated, and great people. Unfortunately, upon reaching high school, they decided it was time to "act black," and I lost touch with many of them. The valedictorian of my high school was a brilliant black girl, and I got along very well with her, and because she is someone I like to associate with, we remain friends. In other words, it is not skin color, it truly is character. However, even wealthy and intelligent black people often condone actions because of loyalty to race. While I understand sticking up for one another, it can also cause a rift in a community like mine.

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I don't judge the color of their skin. Do I associate crime with minorities? Sometimes, yes. Why? Because it is common. Not all profiling is inaccurate. I don't at all associate black wealthy people with thugs. The few black people I grew up around were well educated, and great people. Unfortunately, upon reaching high school, they decided it was time to "act black," and I lost touch with many of them. The valedictorian of my high school was a brilliant black girl, and I got along very well with her, and because she is someone I like to associate with, we remain friends. In other words, it is not skin color, it truly is character. However, even wealthy and intelligent black people often condone actions because of loyalty to race. While I understand sticking up for one another, it can also cause a rift in a community like mine.

So its only the non-wealthy Black people who you don't like cause they cause all the crimes?

Yeah.....sure....

[shinerbock]

Well I don't like poor people at all. However, you're somewhat correct, I don't think the wealthy professional black people are causing the crime, no.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

So its only the non-wealthy Black people who you don't like cause they cause all the crimes?

Yeah.....sure....

If you think it is wrong to think that a majority of crimes are caused by lower class, poor minorities then you need a serious reality check. Atleast it is that way in the South. I can't speak for the rest of the country because I don't live there, and don't really care.

[bows&toes]

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

So its only the non-wealthy Black people who you don't like cause they cause all the crimes?

Yeah.....sure....

Not all, but you should check some statistics, it will probably surprise you. Here is one for you:

Of the approximately 1,700,000 interracial crimes of violence involving blacks and whites, 90 percent are committed by blacks against whites. Blacks are 50 times more likely than whites to commit individual acts of interracial violence. They are up to 250 times more likely than whites to engage in multiple-offender or group interracial violence.

There are MANY more equally as shocking statistics out there, these things may not be pleasant to recognize but it's these pesky things we call facts.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

However, I have experienced a lot, and have a good idea what I enjoy and what I do not like. The facts that I don't like Miami or Detroit, and don't choose to go there, I don't believe are a disservice to myself.

LOL, that's the way that I feel about Atlanta.

[shinerbock]

haha, me too.